The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I really, really think you're mafia, Ituralde. You aren't even listening, are you? This self-vote stuff was just a bluff, and you're trying to lynch someone who may be a mute detective. GH keeps suggesting you're guilty. From that I have to assume that he may have gotten a guilty result on you. And how about showing up right before the lynch but doing nothing to affect the total? Just in time for night phase?

Your explanations, votes, and behavior, plus the fingers of suspicion on you coming from people who are asking for the benefit of the doubt... you need to start explaining now.

Seireikhaan is not a "lurker"... he appears to simply be unable to speak in-thread. I'm willing to toss him or GH one round of doubt to see if they have uncovered one of you as mafia.



I encourage votes on Ituralde.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I really, really think you're mafia, Ituralde. You aren't even listening, are you? This self-vote stuff was just a bluff, and you're trying to lynch someone who may be a mute detective. GH keeps suggesting you're guilty. From that I have to assume that he may have gotten a guilty result on you. And how about showing up right before the lynch but doing nothing to affect the total? Just in time for night phase?

Your explanations, votes, and behavior, plus the fingers of suspicion on you coming from people who are asking for the benefit of the doubt... you need to start explaining now.

Seireikhaan is not a "lurker"... he appears to simply be unable to speak in-thread. I'm willing to toss him or GH one round of doubt to see if they have uncovered one of you as mafia.



I encourage votes on Ituralde.

Have no issue with Ituralde's earlier pushing Seamus, makes no sense for a mafia ploy. What would his goal be? But he's clearly spooked by GH's post.

As for the detective, maybe I'm confused. But we have three pro town roles, which I take to be donney, davey, and mairead. Mairead a doctor, seamus is donny, and davey is looking for a cat...and well, you saw that deleted post too. So I can't see how GH could be the detective. To me his posts look like part of his new style. He did the same with taka in king wahaha, and with factionheir in the settlement. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not a believer in "lynch someone because so-and-so says he is with no reasoning, because so-and-so might be the detective". The reasonable suspicion on Ituralde would be because of the way he got spooked.

I believe LittleGrizz is the lynch for today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's possible GH is just messing with me/us, but the problem is, that's independent of Ituralde's objectively bizarre behavior.

The case on Ituralde is everything Ituralde has done so far; it makes no sense to me coming from a townie. I am unwilling to let him skate on this. I'll post my own case on him if I have to. He could be a Godfather and that is why he's so nervous-sounding and erratic in his behavior.



EDIT:

And he just skips out while I am questioning him. He's not willing to discuss anything. He's nervous and non-contributory, and intentionally ducking suspicion. If he keeps this up, I will once again offer my head as punishment if town lynches him and he turns up innocent.

As a matter of fact, consider it done. You lynch Ituralde, I am wrong, kill me.

[El Diablo]

Well shows what I know I was starting to get suspicious of Captain Blackadder!

However, back to the game...

Vote Ituralde

If he is a townie your for the chop GH/ATPG.

[GeneralHankerchief]

But the one thing you'll notice is that I was right about all of them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who were your other suspects, GH? Forgive my laziness, don't want to go back and use the search function. And yeah, if Ituralde is innocent I'll vote myself every round until I die.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Yeah, his push vote on me earlier made sense, I agree. But Ituralde DOES seem spooked. He went to an auto-vote very quickly after GH posted his bandwagon. Then, after discussion of 'khaan's potential role by you, he quickly shifts back to 'khaan as a lurker vote.

'khaan IS a lurker -- and we need him involved or gone -- but I agree with you pizza that Ituralde seems "hinkey" to me too. Okay, GH, I'll

Vote: Ituralde

myself. Not sure how you are doing it -- secret sources? -- but your similar plea in Settlement did end up with a good hit. I will be watching to see if Ituralde is a "name" here.


Ituralde and others are correct though -- we need more from 'khaan. Unless his "named" role is Wee Thomas and he can't talk in the thread.

If THAT weirdness is the case, I would expect at least a simple MEOW from him...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do we have a protector who can guard him? Or is Mairead just your defender?

unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ituralde

Need to put my money where my mouth is. Still looking at Sasaki and LittleGrizzly, if Sasaki turns up innocent.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Do we have a protector who can guard him? Or is Mairead just your defender?

unvote: Sasaki
vote: Ituralde

Need to put my money where my mouth is. Still looking at Sasaki and LittleGrizzly, if Sasaki turns up innocent.

My role contains no automatic defense system -- which is why I publicly thanked "her."

'khaan: thanks for that!


EDIT: Tally =

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Ituralde = 8 (Andres, 'pizza', El D, GH, Grey, Reenk, Seamus, W_E)
Sasaki = 4 (Boudica, Diana, Grizz, 'khaan)
LittleGrizzly = 1 (Sasaki)
Boudica = 1 (FactionHeir)

Pizza: please use this as a double check, I'm vote recording as I go; THank's za-man!

[LittleGrizzly]

My response to sasaki...

Apparently all the bold hurt some fragile things eyes...

So its in spoilers...

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lack of commitment on ares by LG.

I was asking the question and giving out what i thought were the 2 possibilities..

First thing, you can see that LG was only mentioned in passing here. By far the main focus was on yoyo and ares, neither of whom I particularly suspected.

So why would I jump on it and get defensive if i am mafia... the idea that padriac was the mafia boss did not come from me... and i have explained my reasons for thinking he is ira already...

No, it's a direct contradiction of what you just claimed.

Im not saying ATPGood was some great lynch everyone else needed to join... i just figured it was better than lynching ATPG for tradition or Reenk for behaving like Reenk... at least if we try to look for something we may find it...

Look at the posts from this day. Meaningless votes, no real comment on the major case of the day, a post saying "I dunno" and asking if anyone has any ideas?

I made only one vote which demanded looking for something rather than just joining the easy bandwagons, i did comment on the major case of the day... i criticised them!

I don't see whats wrong with asking for ideas... im not a great player as a townie so i need some guidance to a certain extent... (preferably by a variety of players to help me through)

Claiming that "so-and-so" is not a bad a lynch is a classic move for mafia who want to look innocent.

I'd much rather blend with the crowd as mafia then try to come up with a half decent alternative to lynches i thought were crap

The idea being, mafia wouldn't care if a atpg or reenk was lynched, so if you protest it you're more townie. Actually, mafia would want atpg and reenk to survive till endgame.

Godfather 3... Reenk surviving innocent...

I wouldn't be so bothered about the town going for easy lynches on day 1... its a bit hard to try and guide the on day 1 and im not the most persusive typer either...

Seamus accused you as well

Seamus wrote 3 lines on the matter and didn't vote for me...

and not long ago in the settlement I went whole hog after TinCow and you were the one who warned me off him.

I don't really see what this has to do with anything but yes you accused an innocent player i had investigated... so i told you he was innocent... excellent proof of my pro town values...

This is a game where if you have a role, it is revealed after death. Khaan just came off of being detective in GF3, where we went over and over his poem with a fine toothed comb, looking for hidden clues. I even tried anagrams of capital letters, lol. So if he was the detective and hinting at my guilt, he would have been a lot more subtle than voting me three times in the first round and doing nothing else.

So you couldn't decipher clues from 'khaan last time he was detective... maybe he lernt from this...

TBH i haven't got a set behaviour of 'khaan as detective that i can remember and compare with...

Originally Posted by LG
Anyone else think possibly 'khaan could be hinting at us... ?

This was my post... it says nothing about 'khaan being detective

And even if he wasn't, as detective he wouldn't keep pushing it...he would either claim and ask for maireads protection, or post normally so that he didn't stand out so much.

He could be in contact with the detective, he could have some information hes trying to pass on... i didn't say heres the solid evidence for a sasaki lynch... i asked a question

This to me, is you grasping at another reason to justify a revenge vote.

Wasn't really part of my case... i was curious about peoples opinion on it...

In summary: LittleGrizzly hasn't been posting in his townie style this game.

What because im making an effort and i dont want to get lynched ?

Am i really that bad atownie usually...

His claimed townie behavior is a common mafia ploy

So if claimed townie behaviour is common mafia ploy what kind of behaviour should townies claim ?

he defensively overreacted to my suggestion that it was possible that he was dropping or picking up on mafia hints

I felt it was wrong... so it needed to be put right...

and he is being inconsistent

What ? Rubbish!

ignoring things he knows to be true, and grasping at straws to justify his revenge vote on me

More rubbish!

which despite all that he still tries to indicate he is not attached to:

Im not saying its an iron clad case but your behaviour is making me want to keep it there..

I believe LittleGrizz is the lynch for today.

I believe Sasaki is the lynch for today...

I'll vote for LittleGrizzly next round. If you're playing me, you're doing an excellent job. In spite of all reasons to the contrary, I actually trust you.

I am going to regret this, I just know it.

You will regret it!!

Lynch me by all means... it will be the proof of the sasaki case!

I have always insulted this as townie behaviour... but if i can confirm sasaki's guilt with my death then so be it...

Unvote Sasaki
Vote LittleGrizzly

[Askthepizzaguy]

Blarg! So much bold hurts my eyes, please spoiler it.

LittleGrizzly, you're not even close to dying this round, and if you believe Sasaki is guilty, you will have supporters on it maybe next round. Don't remove your vote from him and put it on yourself. That kind of tactic is okay, I think, at the beginning of the game when we have no suspects and don't know who the pro-town roles are. I think we know who the pro-town roles are now, and Sasaki isn't one of them, and if you're not mafia, you shouldn't be voting for yourself. Ironic that I am the one to say this.

If you were to be lynched, you wouldn't need your own vote on it to make that happen. It's the middlegame now, we need to tighten up. And the self-lynch tactic is also ineffective on a round where there is zero chance of your lynch.

Ituralde = 8 (Andres, 'pizza', El D, GH, Grey, Reenk, Seamus, W_E)
Sasaki = 3 (Boudica, Diana, 'khaan)
LittleGrizzly = 2 (Sasaki, Grizzly)
Boudica = 1 (FactionHeir)

[seireikhaan]

MEOW

[Askthepizzaguy]

THANK YOU.

You're claiming to have a guilty result on Sasaki. But I don't think the detective has the ability to detect Godfathers. We need to kill the Godfather, not the henchman Sasaki. Don't bother voting Sasaki! Get the real target! Get the Godfather and Sasaki dies too!

If this makes sense, unvote Sasaki. Otherwise, I'll consider it.




edit-
about 30 mins later... still no reply. Not sure which one to vote for now. Sasaki could be a henchman, and at least, that reduces their voting power. But Ituralde has got to go...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Ituralde
vote: Sasaki

We need to solve the mystery of Seireikhaan's cat "claim", and his insistence that Sasaki is mafia. Next round, though, I really really think we need to look at Ituralde.

And LittleGrizzly as a suspect: I don't think so, Sasaki. Not unless you turn out innocent. With Sasaki's death, much will be revealed, I believe.



Tally... PLEASE recheck... someone? Anyone? Thanks.

Sasaki: 4 (seireikhaan, boudica, LittleGrizzly, Askthepizzaguy)
Ituralde: 3 (GH, El Diablo, Seamus)
seireikhaan: 2 (Ituralde, greyblades)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Reenk Roink)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (Sasaki)
boudica: 1 (FactionHeir)

Abstain: 1 (Andres)

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote: Atpg
Vote: Ituralde

The angel of protection has informed me that GH will not be protected and I encourage the angel of death to pay him a visit as the angel of knowledge states he is full of crap.