The fight for Inishmore [Concluded]

[Yoyoma1910]

I is drunked

My dear lady, that is one of the prerequisites for good writing, not an excuse for poor penmanship.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

....and the welsh are british I believe.

Sasaki:

We need to get you over to Harlech. I want you to say that phrase out loud some Friday evening in one of the local pubs down near the water.

But give us a few minutes to get bets down on how far you get from where you say that line to the door before you get clobbered.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Just completed my scan of the thread.

Overall, I am not happy.

Either we have an elaborate double blind by Pizza and Diana -- which seems unlikely -- or we have a sort of collective "sour grapes" non finish. Perhaps I am mis-interpreting as I did read quickly.

Andres never stopped playing to win, acknowledging his death as an inconvenience and moving forward. He was hammering at the other mafia, hoping that by taking them out relatively quickly, his team would still be in a position to try for the win. Kudos to him.

In the hope that this IS an elaborate attempt at double blind tomfoolery....

Remaining Players:

Askthepizzaguy- claims mafia grunt
LittleGrizzly- investigated as "innocent"
GeneralHankerchief- investigated as "innocent"
Sasaki Kojiro- no inv data
Lord Winter- no inv data
'khaan- Heilyn, immune to (at least) one night kill
Diana Abnoba- outed as mafia GF, confirmed claim
boudica- investigated as "innocent"
El Diablo- investigated as "innocent"

By my count, we have 4 mafiosi remaining, 1 "neutral" and 4 townies.

lyncing ANYONE save 'khaan gives the town one chance in 4 of killing a GF and a 50/50 shot at killing some mafioso. This is important as the town has little in the way of numbers.

I cannot concieve of any reason why pizza would claim mafioso status unless he were, so I would -- if I could -- vote: pizza.

My other sneaking suspicions were Sasaki (no results due to death) and Winter, with Winter 3rd on the sasaki, pizza, winter list in my head.

I would argue AGAINST ties and in favor of one person being lynched -- pizza -- in order to force the mafia numbers down.

I dislike the live/die vote thing as a tool. Obviously, based on her admission (real or not) the tactically correct vote is for death. Let me stress again, I do NOT like or even completely understand the sidebar vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No "sour grapes" Seamus, we tried to win. We win if the English mafia go down.

Everything we did made sense, even if it blew your minds.

And I dislike the sidebar vote as well, for obvious reasons.

[pevergreen]

The 'side' vote was always going to be in there. It had to fall to someone. The person that caused the tie was lynched, so the 'side' vote fell to the next in line, Diana. As it always was going to be.

As for tie lynch mechanics, the idea is you don't know whats going to happen. The first one was a no lynch, this latest one was a double with punishment. The next one (if there is one) well I can't reveal that.

[LittleGrizzly]

The sidebar vote enables us to remove irish mafia whilst still lynching english mafia!!

No offense an all...

Remaining Players:

Askthepizzaguy- claims mafia grunt
LittleGrizzly- investigated as "innocent"
GeneralHankerchief- investigated as "innocent"
Sasaki Kojiro- no inv data
Lord Winter- no inv data
'khaan- Heilyn, immune to (at least) one night kill
Diana Abnoba- outed as mafia GF, confirmed claim
boudica- investigated as "innocent"
El Diablo- investigated as "innocent"

Assuming Sasaki is a henchman who out of those players hasn't he tried to get lynched ?

El Diablo (Quiet) GH (hard to read) LordWinter (not sure what to write here)

though he didn't go after boudica as hard as he went for me... how did he vote whilst boudica was close to the lynch ?

Edit: don't think we should go for the tie!!

essential to kill at least an english henchman tonight imo...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Do the English mafia win outright if they eliminate us?

If you want to make sure you hit a mafia, lynch Sasaki. No double lynch, boudica survives.

[ULC]

This borders on hilarious. I find it strange that the IRA had a similair role to my Operatives in Dark Vacuum - essentially vigilantes you had to lynch. Glad I was at leats working with the right Dark Side - they had cookies too.

[LittleGrizzly]

Only if they outnumber the town do they win, at least if we get henchman tonight we keep thier numbers down...

One english henchman has already died ?

[ULC]

Yes, the same English who killed me - on the following day no less! Shows you how good those English are at anything!

[LittleGrizzly]

Good then aslong as sasaki is the henchman we are down to just the godfather

[A Very Super Market]

And Padraic lies in his coffin, blindly trying to escape and take part in this game... :P

[pevergreen]

Do the English mafia win outright if they eliminate us?

If you want to make sure you hit a mafia, lynch Sasaki. No double lynch, boudica survives.

Both mafia families have to kill the opposing family and outnumber the town.

[Beefy187]

And Padraic lies in his coffin, blindly trying to escape and take part in this game... :P

Beefy drops a magic potion from heaven. Padraic comes back to life.

Mafias spots Padraic.. Padraic goes back in to his coffin and pretends that his dead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Should be an easy task from this point on, even if you don't double lynch.

I'll be in MacDougal's buying everyone a pint and trying to stab people in the neck.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lord Winter- privately asked to suicide this game, Mafia mastermind, if TinCow is not lying.

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I don't buy pizza's reveal. I don't think he would just ditch his family like that. Pizza could be the real godfather, or LG. Pizza's begging that we not use the death vote on diana and vote her tomorrow instead is just too suspicious.

If you want to make sure you hit a mafia, lynch Sasaki.

What is this? You're the one claiming to be mafia. And LG is none to keen on you being lynched I see. You said yourself I wasn't 100% mafia.

The best move is to lynch one of pizza and LG.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*yawns at Sasaki*

You're the only one left who can be Oswald. They already know we are mafia, so the next step is to find your family. It's either you or Lord Winter, who asked to leave the game.

You don't have to believe me, Sasaki. I wasn't really directing it at you... I was letting the town see that you're just trying to deceive them.

Irish mafia lost a member, Andres. Then Diana and I revealed. That's all 3 of us. LG is not our Godfather... and you're the only one who can be Oswald besides Lord Winter. You can squirm all you like; it's time to die.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're the only one left who can be Oswald.

...

It's either you or Lord Winter

Sasaki is 90% certain,

yes, I'm scum

Are you saying it's impossible that you're the godfather and Diana is the henchman?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Pizza and Diana, I'd like to see your full role PMs please.

[Lord Winter]

AtPG is more then capable of throwing his team under the bus. He admitted to doing it in Prometheus. I don't have any reason to doubt it, and killing Diana will not hurt us with the separate vote. If we assume that Pizza is telling the truth then we can narrow down the suspects to Sasski on the grunt side (assuming I'm innocent). However, since we have limited lynches let we shouldn't act on this. However, if we assume Sasski is guilty then we can also realize that LG is also innocent. I've read over Boucida's post and the cases against her, but I don't think she's guilty, I would call her an innocent townie. Now, I have reached logic's limit for the time I have now. If the game continues, I'll do a through reread keeping all this in mind. However, I don't have that time this round, I've already spent an hour and a half catching up. So for now we leave the path of logic and start with instinct. GH does not seem guilty so far, actually to be fair I don't have enough information to make that call but once again I'm going to ignore him as a suspect. I believe 'khans reveal, also a instinct call. My vote is going to have to go with El Diablo this round. He seems to have laid low and like someone mentioned (forgot who), he seems to have been distancing himself from Sasski. Also he's an older player, who would know Saski's skills, while not knowing much about many others.

Vote: El Diablo
Kill: Diana

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you saying it's impossible that you're the godfather and Diana is the henchman?

I really, really appreciate the compliment.

They are not made of solid diamond, but thank you.

Pizza and Diana, I'd like to see your full role PMs please.

I can't send you hers, I asked her to check her inbox to see if she still has it, but she has the unfortunate habit of deleting stuff. Here is mine.

=======From my PM file dump for 3-20.

From : pevergreen
To : Andres, Askthepizzaguy
Date : 2009-03-16 22:56
Title : The Fight for Inishmore!
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Hello Andres and ATPG.

You have been selected as the IRA "grunts" by your Godfathermother, Diana Abnoba.


As a duo, you get single kill per night phase. It is up to one of you to write that kill up and send it to me. It may only feature one person in it, they will also be named. To that end Andres, your name is Joey and ATPG, your name is James.

If one of you dies, the other shall continue with one kill per night. If Diana Abnoba dies, you both will try to escape Inishmore, resulting in your death. Keep her alive at all costs.

To win, defeat the English and outnumber the town.

Good luck.

pevergreen

[Yoyoma1910]

What do you think Sasaki, does that look forged?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Boudica: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Diana Abnoba, El Diablo)
LittleGrizzly: 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (LG, Boudica)
El Diablo: 1 (Lord Winter)

Life: 1 (Pizza)
Death: 6 (Shinseikhaan, Sasaki, GH, boudica, LG, El Diablo, Lord Winter)

Tally.




@Yoyoma1910:

What do you think he'll say? He's OSWALD.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And oh yeah, funny story... pevergreen told me originally my name was James. Later he told me he screwed up and it was actually Brendan. So I asked him if there was even a "James" in the game and he said no.


So I told YLC that my name was James and I was a roleblocker, to see if he would kill me.

[Yoyoma1910]

Well, I guess likely nothing now.


Remind me never to take you fishing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not bad for a bold little suicidal henchman. If I had gotten murdered at any time, there were a select few who thought I was James the roleblocker, and they would have been a target.

And even better, I now had allies/friends who I could manipulate. In the end, it would have exposed me as a henchman anyway, but I think YLC forgot and could not conclusively nail me down.

[Yoyoma1910]

I'm kind of upset the town didn't lynch you the round after me.


I didn't pull that stunt for my own health.


Edit:

You play good Pizza, but your poker face still has a couple of twitches.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just some commentary-

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I can't wait until this game is over... there are quite a few "other" PMs I want to show you. Entertaining stuff. Beefy187, do you remember my lovely interrogation? Hilarious in retrospect because I was the scumbag, not you. I had an entire fake conversation with Diana Abnoba via PM to make it seem like I was manipulating her (distancing tactic) and an even longer, faker conversation where I hint to Andres that I just might be James, the roleblocker, without actually saying so, and I ask him who he considered suspicious, and he replied in skeptical fashion, of course... then there was a nice big "gap" where he was "at carnaval" and when he came back, he would "put two and two together" and see that there probably was no James and we needed to get rid of me.

I had pages of just plain fake conversations that never actually happened, except in staged fashion between myself and the people in question.

@Yoyoma1910

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I was actually quite surprised I got away with all the stuff I did. Honestly, I broke just about every rule in my "SkyNet" no-no list. Voting for myself, defending others, breaking ties just before the deadline, and so on. One of my big big tells, "PM subterfuge" was basically all I did all game. Talking to everyone privately, not caring whether or not it was a scummy move to do so. I had used PM/out-of-thread subterfuge in every game that I was mafia in, too, so doing it again would only be much, much more dangerous as it fit the general pattern. The "fake role reveal" was another one, even if I only ever hinted I was "James". Worst of all was my asking that boudica not be lynched when we were tied. That kind of WIFOM is the stuff you'd expect from a mafioso trying to label himself "innocent" and avoid investigation.

I also operated under the assumption I had already been investigated. I was actually planning on accusing Diana Abnoba either this round or next... and see if that would result in the opposite effect.

I have a lot to say for the post-game discussion; I wanted to create a very deep illusion for this game that, even if it got exposed, would at least get brownie points for creativity. Please don't mistake this as gloating or ego stroking. I was trying to pull out all the stops and actually win this one, but the "Death" side-vote rule and Seireikhaan's vote, plus the other votes going towards Diana... it was a bit too late, I had to do something to try to get the English mafia dead first. I originally planned on only revealing myself, but since that wasn't saving Diana at all, and I was hoping that if I pointed the finger directly at her, the WIFOM would be too great.

At every point, I felt what I was doing gave us yet another chance of survival... even if it seemed too suicidal. Even Sasaki didn't think it was Diana for quite a while... still probably thinks it's LittleGrizzly. Now he thinks I am the Godfather, which is... quite an honor.

Edit:

You play good Pizza, but your poker face still has a couple of twitches.

And yeah... but it was good enough to get us both all the way through the game, and were it not for the "Death" vote, there is a chance we could have escaped the game. Maybe not a guarantee, but I think there was a good chance.

I will never be able to do this again, by the way. It was all or nothing for this game. You will never fall for anything like this again. As such, I can never vote for myself or do any of my scumtells this game, because they almost worked.

[Yoyoma1910]

Yeah... I didn't quite get that whole "Carnival" thing... since Mardi Gras was Feb. 24th.


But I decided this game I was just going to play more like a wild life documentarian, and see what the wilds bring forth.

[Andres]

Apparently, the IRA confessed... Oh well, better luck next time

That'll teach me, working out, then watching Temptation Island and sleeping instead of paying attention to the game

Prediction:

GH : English godfather -> A) manipulated Seamus, B) the choice of Ituralde as grunt, would make perfect sense: 1) Ituralde made his comeback after long absence and wouldn't draw much suspicion; 2) they know each other from LoTR/KoTR ; 3) I wouldn't be too surprised if it were GH who suggested to investigate Ituralde and then gave him up (queen's gambit?).

Remaining English Grunt: Sasaki or boudica, I'm more thinking Sasaki : did not get investigated, probably because GH manipulated Seamus as such.

Good luck town and English mafia.

Good game, town