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I have the French version of the game. It has been pretty bug free so far, only the trade spot bug and the travel bug. However, I cannot demand any nation to become my protectorate. The option does not appear in the diplomacy screen. Moreover, when I hover the mouse over a nation, it does not give me the explanation of the nation's feelings, i.e. I never know about my territory expansion and so on.

Wondering if it is a French game thing...

Whenever a fleet-related audio clip ends, there's an audible "pop" and the volume drops by at least 1/2. Seems to be a bug in the audio playing code.

Some simple data errors:

• The naval movement sound clips are in error: things like moving fleets out of port play the land unit "Forward, march!" instead of something more appropriately nautical ...
• Sounds related to the "Rake" agent are erroneous: when player's agent fails mission, it plays the "throat slitting" sound clip. When agent succeeds, there's no sound clip. Yet another "off by one" indexing bug?

Where was this code QA'd, Redmond?

Caveat emptor. I've purchased and played each release since Shogun. Generally, as each release has been more ambitious, it's also been buggier. This one has reached a new low point, as far as "Day 0 bugs." But the naval stuff is kinda cute.

Quite a few folks have hit a wall ~60 turns into the campaign. Clearly, as the newest feature, the naval stuff is the buggiest. Since we have the privilege of paying to be their Beta testers, we'll just have to suck it up until the right patch shows up.

Two nasty trends have afflicted game software companies, especially the successful ones:

1. They've chosen to model themselves after Hollywood, and would rather be rock stars than meticulous programmers. 'nough said.
2. For better or worse (mostly worse), Microsoft's software sets everyone's expectations (even my Mom's ) for software. We now have a whole generation of programmers who have learned that "Crappy is good enough" and that paying customers are now Beta testers.

Their reach exceeded their grasp, it seems. Most of the performance bugs seem to be due to the attempt to create beautiful eye candy. Unfortunately, most of us don't have the kind of high-end rigs the developers used, and so they've wasted their effort on us.

Worse, the time and energy they put into that stuff took away from (obviously) their test and debug efforts. We get to do that for them.

I wonder how many of the CTDs we're all experiencing are related to marrying Valve's Steam client?

I've seen that, too. In fact, the whole GUI is quite laggy (~ 1-2 full SECONDS between selecting something and getting the appropriate feedback).

One consistent error is having it mis-interpret movement orders: for some reason, it picks the last mouse/key RELEASED event it sees. So, if you issue the order, but move your mouse and forget to wait the necessary seconds, it sends your fleet, or army, or agent off in an unintended direction.

One possible explanation for the laggy UI is that all events seem to get skipped the 1st time they're generated. This is most visible when attempting to merge unit cards -- drag'n'drop (or Ctrl-M) once, nothing happens; a 2nd (or 3rd, or 4th) time, it works.

Where was this code QA'd, Redmond?

Have you noticed that the .empire_save files start out at 66 Mb, and grow from there?

I don't try to drag'n'drop the unit cards any more, too slow and unreliable. Instead, I use Ctrl-A (it eventually works) to select all the units, then Ctrl-M to merge. Also works with specific subsets of units selected, when they're of the same type.

Have to repeat the cycle a few times (it only merges to one unit at a time), but it doesn't cause the CTDs.

Worse, there's no way to disable them.

Pathfinding is still as bugged as it was in M:TW (the pre-Rome one). Must be pretty lousy code, if they can't figure out how to fix it by now.

I haven't seen that one, but this one is eminently reproducible:

Fleet carrying an Agent/Character, move into Port, disembark Agent.

No Agent selectable in the Port, nor the Fleet -- it's just MIA!

Other folks are reporting save game corruption, too. Pity, especially since we need the ability to cope with the bugs by re-loading the beast

Where was this code QA'd, Redmond?

AI? Your version has AI?!? Wow.

That whole "Unit Transfer" widget is the lousiest part of the UI design. It's clumsy, counter-intuitive, and home to yet another bug nest.

(I hate bugs, even the software kind.)

Every other turn? Masochist. I thought the repeated reloading to work around the pathfinding bugs was tedious enough ... but, you've got me beat!

Keep the old drivers, get crappy performance. Update the drivers, get crashes.
Lovely.

I've had that, too, but I'm not sure it's a bug. It doesn't trigger an Infiltration attempt, since the Agent only gets one mission attempt per turn. So, he's just "in" the city (where, by the way, he can be discovered and killed during the opponent's phase ).

As an aside, I find it odd that a single spy only has ~20% to enter a city of hundreds of thousands ...

Good god man, hendecuple-post FTW!

Why not make your own thread criticising ETW instead of uh... this?

This happens when one of the start-of-turn informational messages (those icon droppings on the left-hand side) is a dialog box (such as an ally declaring war, or such). It's a "modal dialog" -- you have to dismiss the dialog before anything else in the GUI will respond again.

Dumb design.

Merging fleets is buggy in at least 3 ways:

1. Can't merge 2 fleets with Admirals (same olde bug, still not fixed)
2. Can't merge 2 fleets carrying armies
3. 2nd attempt to merge reliably causes CTD

Where was this code QA'd, Redmond?

Fleet merging has an (undocumented) upper limit, both trying to merge fleets and (interestingly enough) when it deploys a newly-produced ship outside the port because the port is "full."

My guess -- and it's only a guess, since it's not documented anywhere -- is that it limits us to a total manpower count, rather than # of ship units, in a stack.

Maybe someone (with more patience than I have) can experiment and find out what the limit is ...

Shoot the person who decided to marry this beast to Valve's online Steam infrastructure, because it offers the siren call of "easily" patching the buggy software several times a week ...

I have had some trouble moving agents out of cities/towns/farms etc. When one is in my city, I click on the city, click on the agent tab, click on the agent, then move him out. However, often I end up moving my whole army out instead!! I have found that to be sure that I am moving the agent, I have to click on him several times. Lucky the AI is stupid, since I tried to move an agent out of a town where the enemy was standing within sight, but moved my entire army out by mistake! Thankfully the AI didn't take my defenceless town, and my army returned next turn. Now I tend to move agents out only a short distance in case it's my army I am moving...

Yes, I get the laggy GUI, too. Seems like it's dropping input events routinely. Some that it catches, it does so on the mouse RELEASED event, which is just plain weird design.

It's almost as though the code has two threads competing for the GUI events, and the one that actually updates the visible widgets has ~50% chance to win the race.

Or use Ctrl-M to merge. Faster, and no CTD.

No, it's not your hardware. It really is crappy software.

No, that last bit is just the moderators trying to prevent your from reporting Yet Another Bug.

Seems like a lot of people are hitting that wall, fairly well into the campaign. We can't figure out if it's a save game corruption bug, the huge (and growing) size of the save game files leading to an out of memory condition when trying to read it, or what ...

Looks like the QA team wasn't able to get it to run more that a few turns, either, since it obviously wasn't tested past 100 turns into the campaign!

Just reporting bugs.

Unofortunately, there's a lot to report.

Yes, I've had this happen as well. As with the other dropped GUI events, the agent selection event gets missed, too. As with all the other bugs, frustrating.

Tried moving a fleet past Gibraltar, but the pathfinding algorithm made it bump into the neutral Spanish fleet in Gibraltar's port (yes: in the port!) Got the usual pop-up about the pathfinder being too stupid to go around.

Then, during the next turn start, there's a message about having recruited a new fleet in Gibraltar. Sure enough, my fleet now has a 2nd unit!

Looks like somebody messed up their list pointers ...

Winter 1748
Britain - Long Campaign
Mission - Literally just got the mission accomplished letter for absorbing the 13 colonies.

Every time I press the "end-turn" button it thinks about it for a second then goes back to the game with the button greyed out so it cannot be pressed again.

I tried going back to main menu, then continuing the campaign but the same thing happens.
I tried lcontinueing the campaign, saving the game, reloading the save file, and then clicking end-turn.

all to no avail, my game is stuck in a time warp.

Quick-save file corrupted, CTD. Auto-save file corrupted, CTD. Reboot, verify cache, nothing. I managed to reach turn 170 as GB, though, so it seems I played a lot more than other people.

I wonder... Is there anybody that managed to reach 1799 in a long campaign? If I knew how to, I would start a poll in the Parliament:

1. Yes, reached 1799, no problems.
2. Yes, reached 1799, some problems.
3. Couldn't do it, quick save and auto save crashed.

It happened two times in my game also. I don't know if have the same problem. Mine occurred because of a unit that was ordered to go to a city, was trying to enter that city but had run out of movement points. In my case the solution was to manually move that unit and hit end turn.

aha, i think you may be right.

when i click end-turn it always focuses the camera on a unit in india.

i will try it out now.

thanks for the idea.

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