Native American factions overpowered?

[Rhyfelwyr]

I've been fighting the Cherokee as the British, and while I'm winning on the whole the amount of casualities I've been sustaining has been a bit frustrating. Why develop guns if bows have longer range and kill more effectively? In particular, the native cavalry is ridiculously powerful, I have to swarm them with everything I've got, their stats are way above those of my own Horse Regiments.

I know there needs to be balance for the sake of gameplay, but this feels a bit silly.

[Sir Beane]

I've been fighting the Cherokee as the British, and while I'm winning on the whole the amount of casualities I've been sustaining has been a bit frustrating. Why develop guns if bows have longer range and kill more effectively? In particular, the native cavalry is ridiculously powerful, I have to swarm them with everything I've got, their stats are way above those of my own Horse Regiments.

I know there needs to be balance for the sake of gameplay, but this feels a bit silly.

Hmm.. I've been doing rather well against the Cherokee. I'm using Native Skirmishers and Colonial Line, mostly lining up and shooting the Native troops as they come forwards.

I have noticed that they can do a lot of damage if they get up close and personal however. Native archers are also utterly useless when shooting at troops behind cover or garrissoned, try that if you get the opportunity .

[Rhyfelwyr]

Defences do help a lot when they're available, but you seem to only be able to get them in battles where you are the defender, which is sensible I suppose. The cavalry really are a nightmare to deal with, I'm going to start using those anti-cavalry defences rather than the anti-bullet logs in future whenever possible.

[Sir Beane]

Defences do help a lot when they're available, but you seem to only be able to get them in battles where you are the defender, which is sensible I suppose. The cavalry really are a nightmare to deal with, I'm going to start using those anti-cavalry defences rather than the anti-bullet logs in future whenever possible.

Have you got square formation researched? That + socket or ring bayonets can stop cavalry dead. If you haven't try hiding near walls or fences. It's a bit of an exploit, becaue cavalry have some pathfinding issues when it comes to fences. Unless they hit them dead on they have to realign themselves before they can jump them.

[Nelson]

I would expect that bayonets would be a precursor for square formation. Forming square without them would be VERY disappointing to say the least!

[Sir Beane]

I would expect that bayonets would be a precursor for square formation. Forming square without them would be VERY disappointing to say the least!

They might be actually. Square formation is an early tech but so are ring bayonets...

[Hooahguy]

I've been fighting the Cherokee as the British, and while I'm winning on the whole the amount of casualities I've been sustaining has been a bit frustrating. Why develop guns if bows have longer range and kill more effectively? In particular, the native cavalry is ridiculously powerful, I have to swarm them with everything I've got, their stats are way above those of my own Horse Regiments.

I know there needs to be balance for the sake of gameplay, but this feels a bit silly.

archers always did better against muskets. they are more accurate and can go further. but as rifles got better, archers stopped.
ive been to the archery range a few times, and i will say, its not too difficult to hit a human-sized target from a pretty long distance. i hit one target at about 50 yards away. now try that with a musket....

[BeeSting]

archers always did better against muskets. they are more accurate and can go further. but as rifles got better, archers stopped.
ive been to the archery range a few times, and i will say, its not too difficult to hit a human-sized target from a pretty long distance. i hit one target at about 50 yards away. now try that with a musket....

Arrows leave straight forward wounds--it does not have the same impact as high velocity lead musket balls that pierce armors--and do not cause horrific wounds either. There's a reason why Europeans abandoned arrows for fire arms.

And, yes, the American Indians are on steroids and they need nerfing.

[BeeSting]

error - double post

[Malkut]

I wish people would stop being surprised at how awesome the Native Americans are. There's a reason why we still to this day name our weapons things like Tomahawk and Apache. It's because they are a race of warrior badasses!

I too have been fighting the Cherokee. Line Infantry in Square Formation is indeed the answer to their lancers.

[ArtillerySmoke]

I wish people would stop being surprised at how awesome the Native Americans are. There's a reason why we still to this day name our weapons things like Tomahawk and Apache. It's because they are a race of warrior badasses!

I too have been fighting the Cherokee. Line Infantry in Square Formation is indeed the answer to their lancers.

The Natives were no joke. People have to realize, they were combating basically an imperial invasion by several European Empires.

Don't you realize how many of the tactics used to beat the British where devised from the Natives?

[Sir Beane]

The Natives were no joke. People have to realize, they were combating basically an imperial invasion by several European Empires.

Don't you realize how many of the tactics used to beat the British where devised from the Natives?

People have probably gotten too used to the crappy 'rebels' in previous games. Now the natives can fight back properly it seems pretty scary .

[ArtillerySmoke]

People have probably gotten too used to the crappy 'rebels' in previous games. Now the natives can fight back properly it seems pretty scary .

They probably have a moral boost, which they should.

If you were an invading European Empire, you had every chance to just withdraw from a battle or region and forget about it.

The Native Americans were fighting for their existence. There was no retreat and there was no "going home". That was their home.

It's like the Vietnam effect. Millions don't pack up and give up. Look at Stalingrad.

[andrewt]

People have probably gotten too used to the crappy 'rebels' in previous games. Now the natives can fight back properly it seems pretty scary .

I think it's because people are expecting rebels and certain minor factions to be much further behind in tech compared to the ones in previous games.

[A Very Super Market]

Nah, you guys are just unsuited to fighting them.

IRL..... well.... search it up.

[Daevyll]

Nah, you guys are just unsuited to fighting them.

IRL..... well.... search it up.

I've not yet found a way to kill off huge parts of the population by importing diseases, and neither does there seem to be an option for subverting whole tribes through alcoholism.

[Fisherking]

I've not yet found a way to kill off huge parts of the population by importing diseases, and neither does there seem to be an option for subverting whole tribes through alcoholism.

LOL That’s what beat them!

The Iroquois fielded some war parties of 3000 and more, and this was not using every able body, but volunteers for the expeditions. The Mohawk put more than 1000 in the field a few times and they were only one of 5 or 6 Iroquois tribes, depending on the time frame.

The provinces that make up the Cherokee are a whole lot of tribes, and most were hostile to the British and later the Americans. They fought it out for well over 50 years before disease and technology finally won.

It makes for an interesting part of the game, even if it is not absolutely historic, it rightly makes control of North America difficult to achieve.

There are quite a few things that are far from perfect in this game but this is one I so far have no difficulty with.

[Noddy The Beefy Egg]

you cursed me ᏣᎳᎩ! -King of Britain to Cherokees, after losing the battle