Discussion of Stalinism

[Vuk]

I hope you are not calling me a denier. Because I am calling you a fabricator. Eighty million is preposterous. Face it. Add the WWII losses of 20 million as someone put it and you will have 100 million. So you are saying only 40 million Soviets remained? Give me a final figure of how much you think Stalin killed and I will see what I say about it.

You are one of those people who would swallow any figure of Jews killed by Hitler, whether it was the current 6 million or 20 million. Heck, poor Zionists, I bet they are tearing themselves apart for keeping the Holocaust figure so accurate and truthful. Now when everyone is exaggerating so much, their figure seems so minuscule in comparison. Oh well, the Jewish lobbies are still functioning well... At least some hope for the Jews remains.

I was not calling you anything, but after that post, how does anti-semite sound? First of all, I never said anything about 80 million, or 40 million, or 20 million, or any other figure.
Second of all, your attacks on Jews are unrelated and completely uncalled for. Not that it is ANY of your business, I believe evidence proves that lots of those 6 million killed were NOT Jews, however I do not think that means they are lying about it, or that makes the killing, torture, etc of the ones who did die any less horrible. You on the other hand seem to think that as long as Stalin killed ONLY 20 million human beings it is not any big deal!
I am sorry, but I do not have very much respect for Stalin sympathizers or anti-semites. I am gonna leave this thread before I get myself banned.

[rory_20_uk]

I am sorry, but I do not have very much respect for Stalin sympathizers or anti-semites. I am gonna leave this thread before I get myself banned.

Yup, pointless topic, even for the backroom. What's next, Pol Pot was a good leader of Cambodia?

[Fixiwee]

I am sorry, but I do not have very much respect for Stalin sympathizers or anti-semites.

I never thought I'd defend AP, but you obviously didn't read or try to understand his posts. Because as far as I understand he is nothing of the both things you accuse him here.

[Vuk]

I never thought I'd defend AP, but you obviously didn't read or try to understand his posts. Because as far as I understand he is nothing of the both things you accuse him here.

On the contrary Fix, I did, and it is from that where my disgust comes. He tells us that 'Oh, Stalin may have done some naughty things, but not nearly as naughty as you think, and he did all this good which far out ways it though. He actually did excellent stuff for humanity...I hate him BTW'. He defends and glorifies Stalin, tells us that he was not actaully that bad of a guy, at least he did more good than bad, then tells us that he does not like him. I don't think that he could make his admiration for Stalin much more apparent. Also, his last post degenerating into an unprovoked, off-topic attack on Jewery, how is that NOT anti-semetic?

[Sarmatian]

On the contrary Fix, I did, and it is from that where my disgust comes. He tells us that 'Oh, Stalin may have done some naughty things, but not nearly as naughty as you think, and he did all this good which far out ways it though. He actually did excellent stuff for humanity...I hate him BTW'. He defends and glorifies Stalin, tells us that he was not actaully that bad of a guy, at least he did more good than bad, then tells us that he does not like him. I don't think that he could make his admiration for Stalin much more apparent. Also, his last post degenerating into an unprovoked, off-topic attack on Jewery, how is that NOT anti-semetic?

It is entirely possible to admire good things and hate bad things, even if we're talking about the same men or the same event. It is possible to hate the bloodshed during the French Revolution and to admire positive aspects of it. It is possible to hate Napoleon's wars of conquest and his imperialism but to admire his tactical genius and to use metric system. It is possible to admire the efforts of the US during ww2 and to hate their policy of installing dictators in Latin America afterward. It is possible for me as a Serb to be disgusted with Ottoman atrocities in the later period of their rule and to acknowledge the positive aspects of it in the first period...

Why does everything has to be black or white?