Jury Ruling(s) Needed.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-08-2009, 02:03

While I'm not involved in this I can answer two historical questions.

1. The Camillian/Polybian Consular Army was 12.5% Cavaly, of which 1/4 were romani citizens and 1/4 extraordinarii, with the remaining 1/2 being Socii regulars. This is according to Polybias, the total Cavalry numbered 2,400, probably with 900 on each wing and 600 (extraordinarii) in reserve.

2. As far as the Roman "eras" go, there is evidence for cross-over with the immidiately previous era. Sulla used Velites in a reformed army when fighting Marius, for example. I would, however, say that Camillian units in a Marian army was historically absurd.

**antisocialmunky** · 03-08-2009, 02:26

1.) That's about three and a half units of cavalry.(300ish)

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-08-2009, 03:09

For reference the Infantry in the army were 12,000, (1200 extraordinarii) the Skirmishers (Velites) were 4,800

Total 19,200 (inc. cavalry).

**antisocialmunky** · 03-08-2009, 03:12

1/3rd Velites, I don't think that's going to happen given how bullet proof the main line of phalangites is.

But 10% Extraordinarii would be fine by me(rounded to the nearest number that is). Honestly, I'd rather hear discussion on the breaching strategy. Whether or not people think it is fair or not.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-08-2009, 03:31

Frankly, anyone who allows Roman infantry to punch through a pike line deserves everything he gets. If your pikes are in six ranks, as they should be, it flat out shouldn't be possible.

**A Terribly Harmful Name** · 03-08-2009, 03:35

I've tried breaching myself and it's a strategy that pays little for too much cost. I would rather have the legions on Guard Mode right in front of the pikes so they protect themselves with the shields and stand their ground, rather than impaling my men at such a venture.

**A Terribly Harmful Name** · 03-08-2009, 04:17

After testing this strategy again, I must say that I was terribly wrong. The best guys adept at "breaching" are the Dacian Falxmen and everyone with a high lethality rate (assault troops). I used a dense formation of Rhophaioroi and pointed it right to the front of the phalanx, periodically clicking behind the enemy to make sure they were infiltrating well, then clicking to attack. The result was a hole in the middle of the phalangites and ended up with them routing after prolongued close combat and astoningly little casualties. And they were ordinary six liner Phalanx formations, perhaps a warning for players to use denser ones in MP especially if the enemy has such nasty troops.

My casualty rate was usually 100% for the enemy and at best 50% with Romphaiaroi vs. Argyraspidai. Ordinary Drapanai obtain good results being used en masse at a single spot; since they are extremely cheap, their casualties won't matter as much. Versus an ordinary levy phalanx I had as little as 20% casualties with the Rhophaiaroi.