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    Default Swedish Faction

    I will try to give my impression of this faction. It has a start made for buildup if you just keep neighbours happy. I like that but historically Sweden was att war with everyone (Poland, Russia and Denmark) at the year 1700. I'm so happy and impressed that real native languages are used and it is with perfect accent in this faction. Sadly though commands are pronounced qite corny and some are really wrong. Some are good thogh. The command "fire" is (i belive) the historically correct "ge fyr" in swedish I just wish they had someone else pronunce it, but i'ts not untollerable.

    My greatest disapointment is the lack of swedish uniqe units and the low quality of the line infantry. Especially since there are usable examples like "livdrabanter" (sort of royal guard). The hakkapelitta which is in the game seems to be one the crappiest unit in the faction and sadly the only uniqe unit for the faction!? The swedish line infantry is mediocre compared to the the other factions. Historically Sweden had a very strong army at the time with an agressive doctrine relying heavily on melee and manouvering to win. The line infantry could have been made with higher morale or attack values than it has now.

    Overall i like the faction and the game is awsome, spectacular when bugs are fixed.



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    I thought every faction had the same stats for Line Infantry. Are you sure they are lower in stats?
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    Default Re: Swedish Faction

    Quote Originally Posted by pevergreen View Post
    I thought every faction had the same stats for Line Infantry. Are you sure they are lower in stats?
    I think there is some very small factional variation for a few stats. Prussia has slightly better than average infantry if I remeber correctly.
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    Yes they differ in stats. GB has most powerfull with 8 melee attack,15 defence, 10 morale. Prussia second with 8,14,10. France 10,13,9. Sweden 8,13,9. Russia 8,12,9. I have fought Prussian line infantry and the differences are quite clear in battle. Also we were similar in reserch bayonets.


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    Default Re: Swedish Faction

    Most Line Infantry have different stats for different countries. It's still not amazing variety, but there's more variety in the units than people realize.
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    Default Re: Swedish Faction

    My greatest disapointment is the lack of swedish uniqe units and the low quality of the line infantry
    Indeed. Though according to some friends on Steam who have played Sweden, she starts in a relatively stable and strong position. Definately will be my first Grand Campaign faction to play, it should be nice to refight the Great Northern War.

    (Also, Sweden was one of the few countries to continue the use of pikes, is this replicated in the game?)
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    I can understand making the brits the overall best line infantry, the qute "britiswh infantry is the worlds finest, fortunately there arent many of them" being from this era, but making the swedes weak in melee is just plain wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
    (Also, Sweden was one of the few countries to continue the use of pikes, is this replicated in the game?)
    Well there is a pikeman unit available but not sure if it's available for the rest(only played Sweden so far).

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    Default Re: Sv: Re: Swedish Faction

    pikemen are available to other factions as well.
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    In 1700's, most, about 80% of battle wounds and casualties were inflicted by musket balls, so melee combat was rare.
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    Not for the Swedes. Pikes were an integral part of their army, until Sweden was defeated and became the cold, neutral nation we know today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Very Super Market View Post
    Not for the Swedes. Pikes were an integral part of their army, until Sweden was defeated and became the cold, neutral nation we know today.
    In what way is Sweden more "cold" now, than before?

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    Well, I think with global warming, this is about to change (unfortunately).
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    Default Sv: Re: Swedish Faction

    Quote Originally Posted by A Very Super Market View Post
    Not for the Swedes. Pikes were an integral part of their army, until Sweden was defeated and became the cold, neutral nation we know today.
    Indeed, we were a bit old fashion.
    However the game starts just 9 years before Poltava which was the end of Sweden as a major power so I can see from CA's point of view that spending time and effort on making Sweden unique when it was being outdated shortly afterwards as slightly pointless.
    Hell I'm even surprised they even bothered to do give them swedish voices(some of it is really funny).

    Still I have no problem with it's army in the game, it's does it's job well enough.
    Even if it's weak stat-wise it just kinda adds to the fact that Sweden became a major power thanks to superior tactics despite being pretty much outnumbered and out-gunned in most battles.
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    It would've made more sense to give Sweden one of the formation techs to symbolize their use of tactics over raw strength at the time. Prussia starts with the first bayonet tech so I don't feel that would be too much of a stretch.

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    Default Sv: Re: Swedish Faction

    Except in my game and some others too, Prussia seems to be at war with pretty much anyone close by, Sweden isn't.
    Prussia might have been give that to balance things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666 View Post
    Indeed, we were a bit old fashion.
    However the game starts just 9 years before Poltava which was the end of Sweden as a major power so I can see from CA's point of view that spending time and effort on making Sweden unique when it was being outdated shortly afterwards as slightly pointless.
    Hell I'm even surprised they even bothered to do give them swedish voices(some of it is really funny).

    Still I have no problem with it's army in the game, it's does it's job well enough.
    Even if it's weak stat-wise it just kinda adds to the fact that Sweden became a major power thanks to superior tactics despite being pretty much outnumbered and out-gunned in most battles.
    From my experiences, I would avoid pikes like the plague. They do not seem to have the massive bonus against cavalry that they had in medieval 2, and fight with sabers unless you set them in a pike wall or square formation.

    In my custom battles of pikemen against cavalry, the cavalry defeated the pikemen, even when they were in pike wall formation. Only when in square formation could the pikes win.

    And in melee against muskets? They have either the same stats or lower, so by the time they reach melee, they are already at a disadvantage.
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