Team Fortress 2, best thing that ever happened to the multiplayer FPS genre

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Yeah.. I'm late to the party so what.

Anyone else in love with this perfect game?

My favorite maps are: Dustbowl, Gold Rush, and Badwater Basin

Favorite classes: Spy, Pyro

[Fragony]

Ha was the best thing last year, now we have Left 4 Dead and Killzone 2

[pevergreen]

Doom wins.

Also, to quote sarcasticgamer.com: "Killzone 1, sucked before, so what made you think we want it [Killzone 2] more?"

Also, L4D rulez.

[Fragony]

Also, to quote sarcasticgamer.com: "Killzone 1, sucked before, so what made you think we want it [Killzone 2] more?"

Oh how little they now. Fantastic multiplayer.

[Fixiwee]

Shooters on consoles are just so wrong.

[Fragony]

Shooters on consoles are just so wrong.

PC gamers often forget about the analogue movement, if you have lined up your shot vertically you have much more control when strafing, on the pc it's just left right forward backward all at the same speed, much easier to correct your aim with a gamepad. A PC player will win from a console player in Unreal Tournament but probably have a much harder playing Call of Duty where cover is important and single shots can kill.

[edyzmedieval]

I don't understand why everyone loves this game so much. People, wake up, it's a friggin cartoon!!!
I find it okay, but not as enjoyable as Day of Defeat Source or even CounterStrike.

[Husar]

Shooters on consoles are just so wrong.

I thought so before I actually thought about it and then tried it and I must say that sounds like you never tried a shooter on a console because for me it works surprisingly well.

[Fixiwee]

I thought so before I actually thought about it and then tried it and I must say that sounds like you never tried a shooter on a console because for me it works surprisingly well.

I have a PS2 with tons of games. Maybe it evolved with next-gen consoles but I remember stopping to play Killzone1 because the handling was so dreadfull.

Anyway, back to topic. TF2 is a great game. It's like a snack (NOMM NOMM), I play it once in a while, it's light and I enjoy it. What more can I say.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

It's right up there with MTW and TIE Fighter for my Best Games Ever. It's all about the little things (playing a great round as a sniper, finding a nice spot for your sentry gun, just watching really great gameplay all around) coming together for an awesome team experience. When you stop the cart just short of the final point and you're hanging on for dear life, it's magic. And it's probably the only game I laugh at at least once a game, no matter how much I've seen it all. To top it all off, I got it with the Orange Box, the great deal in the history of gaming.

/me lights a spy on fire

EDIT: And the audio/visual/atmosphere design is inspired. Check out some of the "Meet the" videos (warning language, cartoon explodey bits):

Sniper
Scout
(there are more, just look them up on Youtube/Steam)

[Fragony]

I have a PS2 with tons of games. Maybe it evolved with next-gen consoles but I remember stopping to play Killzone1 because the handling was so dreadfull.

The Killzone games have very odd controls, nothing like your ordinary shooter.

[Monk]

TF2 was the best thing until they added loss of control mechanics, ie stuns, into the game with the scout update. There's nothing more frustrating than a scout stunning you, running off, and having a soldier or a heavy come by and slaughter you before the stun runs out.

I guess it's on to L4D to get my shooter fix.

[The Spartan (Returns)]

Ha was the best thing last year, now we have Left 4 Dead and Killzone 2

Is Left 4 Dead really that good? I've played a little before... It seems like some run 'n gun game with the only strategy is on how to survive... which doesn't seem complex.
The reason why I avoided it in the early release is because it only had a few maps and I didn't know whether the DLC is free. Since it is, I'm planning to get it some day.

I tried the Killzone 2 demo... and not too impressed. The cover system, and graphics were really nice... otherwise nothing too special. And I HATED the slow camera speed/sensitivity. I turned up the sensitivity all the way up, and I felt like I was wearing armor. I know it's part of the game, and I'll probably see the beauty in it if I play it enough, but right now it's annoying.

TF2 was the best thing until they added loss of control mechanics, ie stuns, into the game with the scout update. There's nothing more frustrating than a scout stunning you, running off, and having a soldier or a heavy come by and slaughter you before the stun runs out.

I guess it's on to L4D to get my shooter fix.

Personally I don't mind the Scout update... the stun is annoying sometimes though.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

The scout phase is mostly over, from what I've seen. I don't see it as much more disruptive than ubers, really. It's frustrating to run into an uber going the other way in a tunnel. But it's over quickly.

[Fragony]

Is Left 4 Dead really that good?

Yes, it's gloriously entertaining.

[Jolt]

I bet you since you wrote that title, that you haven't played RTCW: ET for sure.

[Xiahou]

For a couple years in college TFC was the biggest game on my radar. Similarly, I loved TF2 when it came out, but all of these constant unlockable addons are really starting to turn me off of it. The appeal of the game was its simplicity and steadily adding new gear takes away from the purity of the game and also threatens to upset the balance that makes it so much fun to play.

I'd rather Valve spend their time making new well thought out maps or gameplay modes. How is it that after all this time, we still don't have the Hunters mode from TFC?

[Mongoose]

I thought so before I actually thought about it and then tried it and I must say that sounds like you never tried a shooter on a console because for me it works surprisingly well.

I played Call of Duty 4 for about a year on the 360 and I never really got used to it. PC just feels easier for me.

Is Left 4 Dead really that good? I've played a little before... It seems like some run 'n gun game with the only strategy is on how to survive... which doesn't seem complex.
The reason why I avoided it in the early release is because it only had a few maps and I didn't know whether the DLC is free. Since it is, I'm planning to get it some day.

Left4Dead probably has the most strategy and team work of anything I've played. Once you get into it, it is actually very complex, even if the goal is survival. There are run and gun moments, but also many careful planning moments. And if you're not working together as a team pretty much the entire time somebody is going to get murdered. It's the type of game where you actually sort of need a mic to be effective.

A PC player will win from a console player in Unreal Tournament but probably have a much harder playing Call of Duty where cover is important and single shots can kill.

That's not a fair comparison because console shooters like Call of Duty 4 have auto-aiming mechanics. On the PC version of Call of Duty 4, raising your sights does NOT bring you to the nearest target, for instance. I'd prefer to be playing a version of the game that doesn't need to partially hold your hand to compensate for the annoying control scheme.

Then again, despite that, I did enjoy Call of Duty 4 a lot. games on consoles can be plenty of fun; I just sort of prefer PC.

As for Team Fortress, I am also fairly new to this. I like it, but there are some issues that I'm having. For instance, when ever you play as a medic, there are some servers were you're going to end up with some (insert word that would have to be censored) whinging and swearing at you pretty much no matter what you do. If you heal the soldier instead of the heavy, the heavy spends the next ten minutes screaming at you. If you heal the heavy instead of the soldier, the soldier yells at you. If you're trying to keep a heavy alive and a guy on fire runs up to you, the heavy will scream at you if you stop to save the burning guy; and the burning guy will act like you murdered his family or something if you don't stop healing the heavy to save him. I know that I'm not a great medic, but I have to make choices, and it is in fact normal for people to die sometimes in this game.

BTW any advice for playing as a medic?

[The Spartan (Returns)]

As for Team Fortress, I am also fairly new to this. I like it, but there are some issues that I'm having. For instance, when ever you play as a medic, there are some servers were you're going to end up with some (insert word that would have to be censored) whinging and swearing at you pretty much no matter what you do. If you heal the soldier instead of the heavy, the heavy spends the next ten minutes screaming at you. If you heal the heavy instead of the soldier, the soldier yells at you. If you're trying to keep a heavy alive and a guy on fire runs up to you, the heavy will scream at you if you stop to save the burning guy; and the burning guy will act like you murdered his family or something if you don't stop healing the heavy to save him. I know that I'm not a great medic, but I have to make choices, and it is in fact normal for people to die sometimes in this game.

BTW any advice for playing as a medic?

Ignore their pleas, just heal the wounded first and buffer the strongest second.

ALWAYS uber the Demo, that's more important than ubering the heavy, soldier, or pyro. If a team only had ubers and medics, I'm sure they would always win. The demo is the most effective at taking out sentries and when ubered...

Healing targets priority:
Again, always heal as many as the wounded as you can, then buffer.
1.Heavy
2.Soldier
3.Pyro
4.Demo
5.Medic w/ uber

Uber Priority:
1. Demo
2. Heavy
3. Soldier
4. Pyro

Never buffer spies. Keep a clean distance between you and your healing patient. Run in odd patterns when healing to avoid damage and backstabs.

[A Very Super Market]

Oh yeah, the online population has a small number of raging idiots, endemic to fast-respawn 32 player maps. Avoid as much as possible.

[Husar]

That's not a fair comparison because console shooters like Call of Duty 4 have auto-aiming mechanics. On the PC version of Call of Duty 4, raising your sights does NOT bring you to the nearest target, for instance. I'd prefer to be playing a version of the game that doesn't need to partially hold your hand to compensate for the annoying control scheme.

IIRC I even turned that off, I find it annoying when a game overrides my input, it still seems to do that now and then but mostly it doesn't I think. In multiplayer that is.
I haven't played Bad company in a while but generally I try to turn any sort of auto aim off, except in GTA IV, though even there sometimes no auto aim works better.
I'm certainly not a console shooter crack but I don't have any big problems aiming with the PS3 controller in these games, the aim in some games like Uncharted is a bit bad though, usually because they sort of speed up the aiming disproportionally the more you push the analogue stick, that sort of disproportionate stuff usually ticks me off even more than auto aim.

[Spino]

What a pack of n00bs, I can't believe nobody has advocated Counter Strike! I mean cmon kids, it is only THE most popular online fps ever made! More people are playing CS at any given moment than all other online fps games combined!

For a couple years in college TFC was the biggest game on my radar. Similarly, I loved TF2 when it came out, but all of these constant unlockable addons are really starting to turn me off of it. The appeal of the game was its simplicity and steadily adding new gear takes away from the purity of the game and also threatens to upset the balance that makes it so much fun to play.

I'd rather Valve spend their time making new well thought out maps or gameplay modes. How is it that after all this time, we still don't have the Hunters mode from TFC?

You played TFC in COLLEGE?!?! Damn, you're younger than I thought. I was playing two player Doom deathmatches over direct modem connections when you were still in grade school!

[LittleGrizzly]

You played TFC in COLLEGE?!?! Damn, you're younger than I thought.

Hell, your not the only one. I figured the guy was like mid Thirties...

[Husar]

I also always though Xiahou sounds like a grumpy old man.

[Xiahou]

Hell, your not the only one. I figured the guy was like mid Thirties...

31. And getting older by the day.

You played TFC in COLLEGE?!?! Damn, you're younger than I thought. I was playing two player Doom deathmatches over direct modem connections when you were still in grade school!

I was probably playing it then too- single player only for me though. My first "gaming PC" was a Color Computer 2, that I must've gotten when I was 6 or 7.

[Monarch]

PC gamers often forget about the analogue movement, if you have lined up your shot vertically you have much more control when strafing, on the pc it's just left right forward backward all at the same speed, much easier to correct your aim with a gamepad. A PC player will win from a console player in Unreal Tournament but probably have a much harder playing Call of Duty where cover is important and single shots can kill.

Please, don't even try. Whilst I disagree with the guy you responded to (that they are "wrong"...they can be very fun), games like CoD have alot of auto aim.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

What a pack of n00bs, I can't believe nobody has advocated Counter Strike! I mean cmon kids, it is only THE most popular online fps ever made! More people are playing CS at any given moment than all other online fps games combined!

I found what little I played of CS to be too much lone wolfing against better wolves. What I like about TF2 is even if there are one or two spectacular player on the other team, they can be beat with some solid teamwork.

Maybe I'm a just a n00b, Gramps. :P

RtCW: ET was really fun though, back in the day.

[Jolt]

Indeed was ATPG. I quit it years ago, now that RTCW 2 is coming out, I'm surely gonna buy it. I was awesome with the rifle.

[Banzai!]

I don't think this game is very good. I got TF2 on the basis of my good opinion of Left 4 Dead. I was expecting a game with lots of sly humour (after watching the Meet The... vids) and multiplayer replayability. Instead we have a lot of 1-D classes, no TFC grenades and very little ingame humour. I should have got COD:WaW ... then I would have been able to play Nazi Zombies .... sigh

[coalition]

Favourite game. I like it's graphic, comedic value and uh....It's just fun.

I have praised this game for it's graphical style, balanced gameplay, comedic value and for its use of full character personalities in a dedicated multiplayer game.

Take it like a man shorty! How did that turn out for you Dummy? Thanks for standing still wanker! You best be down...MHHPHMMFGG (Pyro) Oh dear I have made quite a mess....Need a dispenser here! MAGGOTS.

TF2 quotes and taunts have been completely glued to my head.

Meet the "<insert TF2 character>" are also great to watch, wonder when the Medic and the Pyro comes out?

*Engineer, Sniper, Soldier and Pyro are my favourite classes.