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    It would be nice to see a more precise choice regarding AI's in games soon, the EASY/HARD/VERYHARD/IMPOSSIBLE thing is like, well, getting old?

    How about adding a preference tab for the AI? "Naval invasions on/OFF", "Aggressive Guerilla raids on/OFF", "AI HP boost on/OFF", etc, instead?

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    First off

    Take CivIV for example, it took weeks for the community to collectively compose a playing style that could beat the hardest level, and for many players doing so was never possible, no matter how hard they tried.
    CivIV I found the easiest game I think I have ever played in my life. Maybe impossible is bad but comparing medium CIVIV to RTW is like comparing Medium Red Alert 3 to Supreme Commander, it's not a contest in my mind.


    I think perhaps more then all this jazz about new AI difficulties it might be better to go back to the old system of Eras. Such as MTW's early, middle, and late.

    Not saying this works for all games (obviously etw had to short a time frame)

    but for instance, let's take England.

    For those of you who like the Euro theme you could pick early, holding the crown, securing yourself. Building up.

    For those who liked more in the thick of it, they could choose middle. When France is a power, colonies are ready to rebel, and your navies are much larger and contesting with Spain.

    For those who wanted a impossible difficult they could do late, you've lost the colonies, France's power dwarfs you, and rebellion is abound everywhere.

    I honestly think those scenarios would be more amusing. Then say something like Defensive AI and Aggressive AI sliders or something.

    I could be completely wrong, and everyone will probably complain but I liked the Eras that MTW 1 had, it didn't mean you couldn't start early and go into the medium, or start med and go into late. If you did the game stayed different because you were shapping it. Yet the later eras provided unique scenarios and gameplay perspectives that may not exist in your own games do to the AI.

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polemists View Post
    First off



    CivIV I found the easiest game I think I have ever played in my life. Maybe impossible is bad but comparing medium CIVIV to RTW is like comparing Medium Red Alert 3 to Supreme Commander, it's not a contest in my mind.
    CIV IV is the easiest game you've played in your life? Wow. I think Total War isn't even a walk in the park compared to the harder settings in civ. I guess I never learned the "spam the world with immortals" technique... I mean the AI is pretty dumb in wars sometimes, but at least it attacks you where you're weak or when you are at war with someone else etc. And falling behind in the tech tree really isn't advicable.

    I agree with the OP, the game is too easy. I understand it can't be harder because newbies would cry and quit, but the solution seems simple. Just increase the difference in difficulty between the settings, or actually make the AI behave differently between the settings, making it more aggressive on teh campaign map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Guy View Post
    CIV IV is the easiest game you've played in your life? Wow. I think Total War isn't even a walk in the park compared to the harder settings in civ. I guess I never learned the "spam the world with immortals" technique... I mean the AI is pretty dumb in wars sometimes, but at least it attacks you where you're weak or when you are at war with someone else etc. And falling behind in the tech tree really isn't advicable.

    I agree with the OP, the game is too easy. I understand it can't be harder because newbies would cry and quit, but the solution seems simple. Just increase the difference in difficulty between the settings, or actually make the AI behave differently between the settings, making it more aggressive on teh campaign map.
    Aggresive AI doesn't always equal difficulty though. Sometimes super aggressive AI factions are easier to beat because they throw low quality troops at you and don't take the time to ttech up and get a strong economy.

    If you really want a TW game to beat you you are going to have to fight against another player .


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    I recently fought a danish army consisting of 8 regiments of pikemen, 3 militia and 2 regional cavalry, I don't think it will get any worse ;)

    Seriously though, you have a point. I guess what I mean is making it more aggressive "in a good way". Aggressive so that you have to worry about defending your land from time to time. Oh well, I still enjoy the game a lot, I just think it could have one or two clicks harder than very hard on the slider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Guy View Post
    I recently fought a danish army consisting of 8 regiments of pikemen, 3 militia and 2 regional cavalry, I don't think it will get any worse ;)

    Seriously though, you have a point. I guess what I mean is making it more aggressive "in a good way". Aggressive so that you have to worry about defending your land from time to time. Oh well, I still enjoy the game a lot, I just think it could have one or two clicks harder than very hard on the slider.
    TW should go the same wasy as Galactic Civilisations 2. That game has so many difficulty settings it's hard to remember them all, I think it has ten or more. They range from pathetically easy all the way up to hellishly difficult.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Beane View Post
    TW should go the same wasy as Galactic Civilisations 2. That game has so many difficulty settings it's hard to remember them all, I think it has ten or more. They range from pathetically easy all the way up to hellishly difficult.
    GalCiv 2 is a good way ti go, in that the higher difficulties actually made the AI smarter rather than just adding additional resources to a moron.

    It also has the various choices of what you want included in each game.

    I don't want an AI that's necessarily more aggressive, just one that will surprise you on occasion with sneakiness rather than just spamming elite stacks. Stuff like cutting you off from your allies, building up it's own coalition and isolating you diplomatically before invading, that kind of thing.

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    It's a personal opinion of course but I never found CIV IV any comparison to TW or even CIV III or CIVII even (which were both far superior in my view.) Yes though, I found civ far to easy, thus the expansion packs I found boring and useless and stopped after I bought the second one.

    The AI is where it needs to be. CA most likely will not make a higher difficult level. If they did, you would all still groan and moan and CA would feel like they didn't actually accomplish anything.

    As stated, the only way people who want impossible difficult will be happy, is if they fight a real human, who will zerg rush them every turn. If that's what you want, great, go find a player who likes that tactic.

    I'm very happy with the game at Medium as are alot of people apparently, so I see no point to mess with M, if CA wants to go fiddle with VH be my guest. Though I imagine H and VH already are more difficult then Medium and the Ai is more aggressive.

    As I said, I think CA should just focus on multiplayer. That way the die hards can all go fight each other and leave the rest of us who like the game alone

    Aggressive so that you have to worry about defending your land from time to time.
    This goes back to opinions. I had over 1000 cheroke attack lower lousiana, and then Florida in a wave of blitzes that lasted 5 turns when I had only 100's of men as I was trying to hold off Rebellions back in Europe. That was on M, and is plenty of difficult enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polemists View Post
    It's a personal opinion of course but I never found CIV IV any comparison to TW or even CIV III or CIVII even (which were both far superior in my view.) Yes though, I found civ far to easy, thus the expansion packs I found boring and useless and stopped after I bought the second one.
    Question: Since, according to your own words (quoted from above: "..maybe impossible is bad"), you have not played CivIV at the higher difficulty levels, how can you comment on Civ IV being "easy" to play?

    That you find CivIV boring and useless is fair enough; tastes differ. But if you haven't played the game on impossible level - and won easily - I fail to see how you can argue CivIV being easy.

    In any case, if you enjoy the game on M/M, why not go and enjoy it and leave us grumpy old (or younger) men who are unsatisfied with the AI to our grumpiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Namarie22 View Post
    It would be nice to see a more precise choice regarding AI's in games soon, the EASY/HARD/VERYHARD/IMPOSSIBLE thing is like, well, getting old?

    How about adding a preference tab for the AI? "Naval invasions on/OFF", "Aggressive Guerilla raids on/OFF", "AI HP boost on/OFF", etc, instead?
    I would tend to agree, and I may even remember one or two being in MTW but not since.

    Some people will not be happy until they loose. Some want other things, but everyone has to deal with the changes.

    While you usually make a very vocal segment happy with a change you disappoint and discourage others.

    I have no trouble with people who always play on Easy or VH. It is just that changing some things effect the whole game and not everyone was Iceland to be conquered by the Barbary States.

    Not everyone wants to have their hat handed to them every time they go into battle. They should be interesting but not impossible to win.

    Lots of people are still having trouble beating the AI, while we have some that want an impossible level.

    In the end it is impossible to please everyone. So if it is too easy wait for a mod and don’t try to spoil the fun of those just learning.


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