Emergent Faction List

[A Very Super Market]

Crikey, there's probably a whole emergent faction for every territory...

[knoddy]

Crikey, there's probably a whole emergent faction for every territory...

this is indeed my current line of thinking although some would be linked to current in game factions EG i had mysore revolt after like 37 years of occupation, and when they stole my town cos my army was chasing them round the country side they re emerged as mysore b4 being destroyed next turn.

[seireikhaan]

I destroyed France and America emerged because of it...

I must admit I'm curious why.

[A Very Super Market]

France had a few of the 13 colonies?

[Megas Methuselah]

I heard about that happening. Odd. USA emerged when I destroyed GB, but not France.

[knoddy]

i dont think it matter that much which 1, if u destroy any of the powers in europe it seems like certain factions emerge in america and the US would be the most prominent one.

[rossahh]

It's because France holds some of the 13 colonies's territory. In my game the 13s had traded away Boston and New York to the French. When I defeated the French in Europe the United States appeared in the former French regions, while the 13 colonies were still alive and kicking as a faction in the remaining regions.

[Subotan]

Will we ever be able to play as these emerging factions?

[Megas Methuselah]

Once we can properly mod the game, I assume we would be able to give the emergent factions a province to start with so we could play with them from the beggining.

[Subotan]

...But wouldn't that be inaccurate?

[Megas Methuselah]

... It's inaccurate for the US to emerge in the 1720's. But it happens.

[Cecil XIX]

Will we ever be able to play as these emerging factions?

For R:TW BI, there was a mod for emergent factions where the game would start playing with the AI controlling all the factions. Once the emergent faction you chose appeared, you started controlling it.

Of course, since there's no guarentee in Empire that any given faction will emerge there's a bit of a risk. Still, I like that approach best.

[Megas Methuselah]

That's nice. But you're correct in that not all factions inevitably emerge. The appearance of most emergent factions in my game were the direct result of my deliberate actions to see them emerge.

[KozaK13]

I think all emergent factions arise from revolts, even teh ones listed as created by a faction being destroyed.

Eg. Afghanistan emerged on its own in one of my games and no faction had to vansih, but it also emerged when i took all of perisa save afghanistan, the revolt destroyed persia as a faction.

Plus maratha rebels appear when a maratha province rebels, not when a foreign power lises in its how.

And did CA not say awhile ago that USA emerges when any faction in the US region of North America suffers a revolt? Except in indian controlled areas ofcourse.

[Upxl]

Even stranger,...

I destroyed France and the US aint showing.
It's almost 1750 and still no US. is this a bug?

[A Very Super Market]

If France doesn't have any of the 13 colonies territories, it doesn't work. You need to kill whatever faction has 13 colonies territory.

[xiv14]

I don't think any factions need to be wiped out for new factions to emerge. It seems like any rebellion can trigger them. I've had the US emerge in 1742, in NY, in a rebellion against the Iroquois. Great Britain, France, and (for that matter) every single "major" nation was still alive and well.

[Marquis of Roland]

The U.S. will emerge as a faction if any of the original thirteen colonies regions revolt (there may be more regions where this can happen, but not sure). It does not matter which faction is holding that territory. For example, in my game Iroqouis took boston from thirteen colonies; boston revolted because of low public order, and United States spawned as rebels (it was only year 1711 or so).

When a major faction is destroyed, its colonial territories will become independent, and this is also another way U.S. can spawn.

[KozaK13]

Some factions like guatemala (Maya rebels in game i think) arn't proper factions, just rebels.

[Megas Methuselah]

Yeah, that sucks. You can't even engage in diplomacy with the poor buggers.

[knoddy]

Some factions like guatemala (Maya rebels in game i think) arn't proper factions, just rebels.

u sure? im pretty certain they emerged as a minor faction in my mates game when he killed Spain. ill check and get back to ya :)

[rossahh]

Mexico and Coloumbia emerge as minor factions, but Guatemala does not.

[Darth Venom]

I hope I can clarify some things from my experience here.

AFAIK there are two ways for a faction to emerge. There might be more, but I haven't seen any yet.
1. Rebellion in the relevant province, e.g. High unrest in French (or any other power than Westphalia itself) controlled Westphalia can lead to Hessia as a faction there.
2. Faction destroyed in its main theatre, eg. France is wiped out in Europe, Maratha in India, the US in America.... This will cause all provinces in other theatres go independent.

In both cases the faction owning the relevant provinces is not important; i.e. the emergence of the USA is not necessarily triggered by the destruction of either Britain of France. If Denmark happens to own all relevant provinces, nothing happens!
There are two types of emergent factions: Proper minor factions (USA, Hessia, Afghanistan, ...) and rebel factions. They don't appear in the diplomacy screen, have "XY Rebels" as name and can be treated like rebels in prevoius TW games (i.e. a kind of free-for-all landgrab )
Persia is a notable case because it is the only faction spanning two theatres without part of it being a colony. The game however does treat Afghanistan as a colony of Persia; it is the only one of its provinces in the Indian theatre (to verify go to diplomacy screen -> Persia -> provinces) and therefore becomes independant (rule 2. above) if the rest of the Persian provinces is conquered.

Hope this helps,

Darth Venom

[scout117]

well i should have read this first, and i was trying 2 find guatemala so i can make them into a playable faction, but since they arent a proper emergant faction, now i see y i couldnt find them, dang and i was gonna make mexico 2, so i can be at war with them and kick their ass with Guatemala, no offence to mexicans in here :3

[A1_Unit]

If you open "factions_tables" with the DB Editor you can see every single faction that could possibly be in-game.

[Tsar of Floyd]

I guess I was beat to it, but I found it odd that when Westphalia is defeated and there is a revolt there, they come back as HESSE.

Also, the Mamelukes have not been mentioned, they come into revolt in Egypt

[scout117]

I have a question, I been trying to make Guatemala a playable faction for my Gran campaign, but i cant find them in the file, Idk if they have a different name or something, if they do, can someone tell me wat is their name in the game so i can make them playable? thx :)

[Fisherking]

I have a question, I been trying to make Guatemala a playable faction for my Gran campaign, but i cant find them in the file, Idk if they have a different name or something, if they do, can someone tell me wat is their name in the game so i can make them playable? thx :)

They are a part of the New Spain Faction at the start. Other than that I have never seen them as an independent faction.

[scout117]

Their an Emergent Faction, so they say, like Mexico and Quebec, so they should be on the list with the emergent counties, unless they lied about guatemala being one, and crushed all my hopes and dreams of making Guatemala into a super power lol