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    Default Connecticut Legislators Launch Unconstitutional Attack on the Catholic Church

    Two legislators from Connecticut have introduced a bill that would have the government dictating to the Church how it is run.

    Called a "preposterously unconstitutional attack" by a law professor in this blog.
    The only interesting question suggested by Bill 1098 is why the CT legislature would propose a bill that would serve only to provide some lucky lawyer with some section 1988 "prevailing party" fees during a lean period for the bar. What, in short, is the political function served by an obviously unconstitutional bill?
    It's currently been tabled after a wave of protest reached the incredibly moronic sponsors.

    But several law and religion professors signed this letter:
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    Dear Sen. McDonald and Rep. Lawlor:

    We write in opposition to Raised Bill No. 1098, which would regulate the internal affairs of the Roman Catholic Church in Connecticut. This bill is flagrantly unconstitutional; it would prohibit the free exercise of religion, establish one form of church governance, and make a mockery of the separation of church and state.

    The bill would impose a Protestant form of organization on the Catholic Church. The largest outbreak of such bills in American history was introduced by the Know Nothings, a bigoted and vehemently anti-Catholic, anti-immigrant political party that peaked in 1854. The motivation appears to be different in 21st century Connecticut, but the effect is the same and the content of the bill is substantially the same.

    It has long been settled that religious associations may create their own organizational structures “for the ecclesiastical government of all the individual members, congregations, and officers within the general association.” Watson v. Jones, 80 U.S. 679, 729 (1872). The Court said that this right “is unquestioned,” and that “All who unite themselves to such a body do so with an implied consent to this government, and are bound to submit to it.” Id. Of course dissenters within the church can withdraw from membership, but they cannot turn to the legislature and have it reform the governance of their church to their own liking. That would transfer power to govern the church from the church to the legislature.

    Watson v. Jones was decided as a matter of common law, but the Court recognized the constitutional basis for Watson’s rule in Kedroff v. Saint Nicholas Cathedral, 344 U.S. 94, 116 (1952). Kedroff recognized that religious organizations have “freedom to decide for themselves, free of state interference, matters of church government as well as those of faith and doctrine.” Id.

    In Serbian Eastern Orthodox Diocese v. Milivojevich, 426 U.S. 696 (1976), the Court applied these cases to a decision purely about the structure of church governance—whether North America should be governed as one diocese or divided into three dioceses. The state could not interfere with this decision: “It suffices to note that the reorganization of the Diocese involves a matter of internal church government, an issue at the core of ecclesiastical affairs,” and in the Serbian Orthodox governing structure, “subject to the final province of the Holy Assembly.” Id. at 721. The Court quoted and applied its statement from Kedroff that churches are constitutionally guaranteed freedom in “matters of church government as well as those of faith and doctrine.” Id.
    at 721–22. One diocese or three is an important choice, but either way, each diocese would have been governed by a bishop; the state’s attempt to divide the diocese was not nearly so revolutionary as transferring authority from Catholic bishops to Catholic lay people.

    The Court reaffirmed these cases in Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990). Smith is best known for reducing the scope of the Free Exercise Clause as applied to religiously motivated conduct. But the Court also restated a number of government actions that the Free Exercise Clause prohibits. One of these prohibitions was that “The government may not . . . lend its power to one or the other side in controversies over religious authority or dogma.” Id. at 877, citing Serbian, Kedroff, and another case in the same line, Presbyterian Church v. Mary Elizabeth Blue Hull Memorial Presbyterian Church, 393 U.S. 440, 445–52 (1969). The point of Raised Bill No. 1098 is precisely to lend the state’s power to a nascent controversy “over religious authority,” taking away part of the authority of Catholic bishops and granting that authority instead to committees of Catholic lay people.

    The federal courts of appeals have recognized that Smith did not change the constitutional law that protects internal church affairs from government regulation. The Free Exercise Clause protects a “church's right to decide matters of governance and internal organization.” Rweyemamu v. Cote, 520 F.3d 198, 208 (2d Cir. 2008), quoting Petruska v. Gannon University, 462 F.3d 306, 307 (3d Cir. 2006).



    This bill would be unconstitutional even under the less protective part of Smith. Smith held that, outside the context of internal church governance, neutral and generally applicable laws may be applied to regulate religiously motivated conduct without any special justification. But this bill is not neutral, and it is not generally applicable. It applies only to religion, not to all non-profit corporations, and within religion, it applies only to Roman Catholic churches, not to all religious organizations. It is a naked attempt to interfere with a particular faith and to change one of that faith’s fundamental tenets.

    This bill is not saved by the provision in subsection (h), purporting to preserve the authority of the bishop and pastor “in matters pertaining exclusively to religious tenets and practices.” That provision must be read in light of the rest of the bill, and especially in light of the provision in subsection (f), requiring the pastor to report to the board of directors “with respect to administrative and financial matters.” The bill plainly contemplates that the allocation of authority over “administrative and financial matters” is not one of the “religious tenets or practices” protected by subsection (h). But that characterization of these matters is false.

    The bill’s attempt to divide the internal governance of a church into religious and secular domains is in defiance of the Supreme Court cases guaranteeing religious liberty with respect to “matters of church government as well as those of faith and doctrine.” Serbian, 426 U.S. at 722; Kedroff, 344 U.S. at 116. It is also false to history and false to the religious self-understanding of American churches. Forms of church governance represent religious choices with deep theological roots; in the age of religious warfare, men and women on both sides fought and died and were martyred in disputes over the authority of bishops.

    Some churches vest authority in bishops, believing them to be the successors of the Apostles through an unbroken series of ordinations. Other churches vest authority in local congregations, believing each congregation to be the nearest approximation of the isolated and self-governing Christian churches of the first century. In these congregational churches, the majority in each congregation generally rules either directly or through an elected board. Still other churches vest authority in elected assemblies that are chosen by local congregations but are empowered to exercise authority over those congregations. Still others have elected assemblies and bishops, with rules for allocating authority between them. Some churches believe in checks and balances and separation of powers; some believe in closely held hierarchical authority. These allocations of authority necessarily extend not only to faith and doctrine, but to control and administration of church property and finances. The two are inseparable, for in any dispute over faith and doctrine, the side that controlled the church property would have a strategic advantage. Churches have been well aware of that potential advantage as they allocated authority over property and finance in their various forms of governance.

    All churches, with all these different forms of governances, tend to believe that their own preferred form reflects the best interpretation of scripture. They also tend to believe that their own preferred form works best. Churches with bishops and claims of apostolic succession tend to believe that this structure preserves the faith intact from generation to generation, and that church elections and shared governance leads to doctrinal drift, errors of faith, and eventually, schisms and heresies. Churches with elected assemblies and checks and balances, and churches managed by a majority of each local congregation, tend to believe that unshared hierarchical control leads to clerical abuses and corruption. If these disagreements have lost some of their ability to inflame emotions, it is only because a long period of religious liberty has guaranteed to each religious organization in America
    the right to govern itself in its own way.

    Raised Bill 1098 squarely takes sides in this longstanding theological dispute within Christianity. Apparently based on a single story of clerical corruption, it proposes to congregationalize the Roman Catholic Church. Authority over the property and finances of each parish would be vested in a board with a majority elected by the local parish. The bill concludes that the congregational faiths are right, at least with respect to church property and finances, and that the claims of apostolic succession and episcopal control are wrong.

    The bill is unconstitutional as a matter of first principle; it is unconstitutional under repeated decisions of the Supreme Court. It is a flagrant interference with a contested matter of faith. It is worthy of the anti-Catholic bigots of 1854; it is unworthy of Connecticut in the age of religious liberty and mutual respect among faiths.

    Additional biographical information about the signers is attached. Of course the universities that employ the signers take no position on this or any other bill.



    Very truly yours,

    [Douglas Laycock, Thomas C. Berg, Alan E. Brownstein, Angela C. Carmella, Daniel O. Conkle, Carl H. Esbeck, Richard W. Garnett, Ira C. Lupu, Steven D. Smith, Kate Stith, Robert Tuttle, Eugene Volokh].


    Which begins:
    Dear Sen. McDonald and Rep. Lawlor:

    We write in opposition to Raised Bill No. 1098, which would regulate the internal affairs of the Roman Catholic Church in Connecticut. This bill is flagrantly unconstitutional; it would prohibit the free exercise of religion, establish one form of church governance, and make a mockery of the separation of church and state.


    Shows how laughable the idea that our representatives are some sort of class of intelligent people really is.

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    2 more years. 2 more years of this neo-liberal trash. Gah.
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    State Legislatures often pass outrageous, unconstitutional laws. They all get the booty-smack when the judiciary get ahold of them. Excuse me, when the activist judges get ahold of them.

    Just look at the miserable history of States attempting to outlaw various forms of video games.

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    It is my understanding (as yet unconfirmed) that the legislators sponsoring this effort are openly gay, and quite upset with The Church's ardent opposition to same sex marriage. The well-publicized money troubles that spurred this legislation may be, as much as anything, a chance for a little political vengeance. Even if they know it won't pass muster constitutionally, The Church must spend money to fight it in court if it passes.
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    Separation of Church and State. Pure and Simple.

    I think the judges will and then the bill to pieces.

    No point being vindictive when you are only going to put people off. Even people who support gay marriage do not like seeing their politicians waste time or be childish in a tit for tat manner.
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    Yay! It's Total War: US culture war II!

    The origin and goal of this proposed bill are extremely complex, and both obscured by and part of the usual culture war. For one, it involves recent scandals about mass rape and their institutional cover-ups by the Catholic clergy, and, especially, plunder of parish money by the clergy.

    Despite what the conservatively biased media would want you to believe, with their foaming about freedom of religion and revenge from teh gays, the origin and the staunchest proponents of this proposed bill can be found within the Connecticut Catholics themselves. For example, and this will interest certain members, the Knights of Columbus.


    "Senate Bill 1098, as introduced by the co-chairs of the Judiciary Committee, is nothing less than a direct assault on religious freedoms of people in the state of Connecticut," said Sen. John McKinney (R-Minority Leader)

    But the loyal Catholics who approached lawmakers about this proposal said today there is nothing further from the truth. They clearly responded to members of the Catholic clergy who have attempted to portray this as a political vendetta.

    "To suggest that this earnest attempt to improve Catholic parishes is somehow related to gay marriage is simply inaccurate and unfortunate," said Tom Gallagher of Greenwich.

    Gallagher, who is a member of the Knights of Columbus, was joined by Catholic scholar Paul Lakeland in saying that their effort was in response to the well publicized embezzlement cases in Catholic parishes.

    "This is an issue that has been debated increasingly in the Catholic Church...because of...mismanagement of funds and because of financial problems of the American Catholic Church as a result of the extraordinary costs of the sex abuse scandal," said Dr. Paul Lakeland, Fairfield University.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Even if they know it won't pass muster constitutionally, The Church must spend money to fight it in court if it passes.
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    This means we're next. Oh noez
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    This means we're next. Oh noez
    Sheesh, Strike. Don't they teach you kids nowadays the history and working of the Connecticut state legislation about provisions regulating ecclesiastical societies and the incorporation of churches?

    I am not sure if you mean Texans or other denominations. Either way, you've got nothing to worry about. This is a Connecticut thing, covering many denominations. Unconstitutional or not under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Connecticut has a long tradition of state regulation of ecclesiastical societies.

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    The statutes of Connecticut contain quite elaborate provisions regulating ecclesiastical societies and the incorporation of churches. Many of those still in force were originally passed when the Congregational denomination was practically the State religion, and its various ecclesiastical societies had power to lay taxes for their support. Originally such a society was distinct from the church, constituting a separate organization. Individuals might be legal members of the society and not members of the church. This condition still remains in many communities, although, as before stated, one may escape liability of taxation by withdrawing from the society. It would be legally possible for an ecclesiastical society to be incorporated under these laws for the purpose of maintaining a church in communion with the Catholic Church. In early times before statutes were enacted for the organization and government of these societies, the several towns had the functions of ecclesiastical societies.

    In recent years special statutory provisions have been made for the government of other denominations. Prior to 1866, when a law was passed having special reference to the Catholic Church, the title to most of its property was vested in the bishop and his successors. In that year an act was passed by the legislature providing for the organization of a corporation in connexion with any Catholic church or congregation. Such corporation consists of the bishop and vicar-general of the diocese, the pastor and two laymen of the congregation. The lay members are appointed annually by the ex-officio or clerical members. Such corporation is empowered to hold all property conveyed to it for the purpose of maintaining religious worship according to the doctrine, discipline, and ritual of the Catholic Church, and for the support of the educational or charitable institutions of that church. A restriction exists to the effect that no one incorporated church or congregation may possess an amount of property, except church buildings, parsonages, school-houses, asylums and cemeteries, the annual income of which exceeds three thousand dollars. Such corporation shall at all times be subject to the general laws and discipline of the Catholic Church, and shall hold and enjoy its franchise solely for the purposes above mentioned. Upon a forfeiture of its franchise or surrender of its charter its property vests in the bishop and his successors, in trust for such congregation. This law has in the main worked with entire satisfaction. Property of various religious orders is usually legally vested in a corporation either specially chartered or organized under the general laws of the State where the mother-house of the community is located.
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    We should just nationalize the church, and its fund could be managed by a nationalized Citibank.
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    Churches should be like embassies and considered national territory of the vatican state.


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    Intersting arguement, but that would make American Catholics members of another nation, perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Churches should be like embassies and considered national territory of the vatican state.

    In that case I suggest we create border crossing stations at the door of every church.....with full cavity searches!!!.....I´m not sure we can trust those people....
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