Wallachia is not Bulgaria !

[Olimpian]

This is probably somewhat of a subjective view (I'm Romanian), but come on... Wallachia and Bulgaria as a a single province?! And thus not representing Bucharest that was/is a major European city, by far more important to represent than Iasi, the capital of Moldavia which has its own province. It just seems so stupid... Why not make one province for Romania (minus Transylvania) and one for Bulgaria? These two people have little in common geopolitically, culturally, ethnically,....you name it. And they never formed a common state (although I do remember reading something about an attempt of forming a joint Bulgaro-Romanian state, but that was more of an idea.. ). They just thought "Oh, these two regions are close together, lets just make them into a province." Its like taking Savoy (Italians) and Provence (French) and putting them together...

Are there more of these booboos in the game? I didn't really get to look around that much yet...

[Alsn]

Aren't all those provinces under austrian and/or ottoman control in the game? Meaning they aren't their own states?

I'm no historian but I highly doubt the ottomans or the austrians actually cared about which countries had been there before them and as such divided their administrative regions as they saw fit.

This is mostly speculation however, so don't freak out if I'm completely wrong.

[Polemists]

They are, they do fall under Austrian control, and therefore it's up to Austria or Ottomans about how they get labeled. Infact I've discovered several regions in the game if you conquer as another nation will change the name of the province you conquer.

If they rebelled and became thier own province it may be a diff matter but where as Savoy is it's own nation in this time frame, Bulgaria holds no such privleage, much like Hungary it's just under Austrian rule.

[Tantalaul]

Time frame is 1700 false or true?
So Europe map is http://www.euratlas.com/history_euro..._map_1700.html
And in my opinion CA shows again a lack of history culture.
No comment

[Vlad Tzepes]

Yeah, I've noticed that as well, it's kind of stupid just to rename Walachia Bulgaria. But, hey, it's just a game, maybe in the expansion we'll get France owning England, who knows?

[The historian]

Wallachia and Moldavia were otoman vassals in 1700 they should be like the Crimean Khanate and yes merging Wallachia with Bulgaria is annoying for us a Romanians but most of the provinces in the game have very little to do with historical accuracy.Anyway i don't remember any total war game to big on history so don't sweat it. I'm waiting so we can mod it into reality the map at it's current state is somewhat ridiculous from my view as a history buff it resembles risk more then history.

[lars573]

Time frame is 1700 false or true?
So Europe map is http://www.euratlas.com/history_euro..._map_1700.html
And in my opinion CA shows again a lack of history culture.
No comment

I don't who drew that map, but it's about as realistic as CA's making Wallachia part of Bulgaria. Wallachia and Moldova were part of the Ottoman empire from the early 15th century until 1881. How independant they were within the Ottoman empire is open to inpretation.

Here's someone elses.
http://home.zonnet.nl/gerardvonhebel/1648.htm
http://home.zonnet.nl/gerardvonhebel/1748.htm

[Maleficus]

Are there more of these booboos in the game? I didn't really get to look around that much yet...

They have the Ghoorkas (Ghurkas) being unique to Kashmir when IRL Ghurkas are from Nepal.

[Sisco Americanus]

Well, there also aren't thirteen colonies in the thirteen colonies. I'm sure this isn't due to ignorance; I find it hard to believe that CA didn't know the thirteen colonies were made up of... well... thirteen colonies. It's not because CA is stupid and doesn't know history, it was a design decision. I really don't think it's a huge deal, and it likely streamlines the game. I'm sure some mods will be out soon that will have a more historically accurate map. For now, just use your imagination and try to enjoy the game. It is a game, after all.

Edit: yes, I know all thirteen colonies hadn't been founded by 1700, but I think you see my point notwithstanding.

[General SupaCrunk]

Lol who cares anyway!

[Olimpian]

Lol who cares anyway!

Yeah, I guess I should have expected that kind of feed-back from some people, but I seem to have become quite used to a more historically-accurate-inclined community, 'down' at the Europa Barbarorum subforum. It's just too bad that if you're a history buff and like to learn while you are playing you can't really do that in TW games, just in some mods like EB that focus on such things. Oh well, here's hoping some guys with the skills and time will redo ETW as it should be

[NimitsTexan]

While we are at it, anyone care that casualty rates in most battles of the era were in the 15%-30% range (not 50%-99%, as we see in this game) . . .

Not saying combining/misnaming provinces is ideal, but if we are talking historical simulation, there are alot more pressing issues.

[andrewt]

CA has to keep the number of provinces manageable. It does them no good to include all the provinces of every single race and ethnicity that believed themselves more important historically than they really are.

There's always been too much "my race is more important than your race" chest thumping here and it gets old really fast. People outside these provinces don't care. Period.

[anweRU]

Well, there also aren't thirteen colonies in the thirteen colonies. I'm sure this isn't due to ignorance; I find it hard to believe that CA didn't know the thirteen colonies were made up of... well... thirteen colonies. It's not because CA is stupid and doesn't know history, it was a design decision. I really don't think it's a huge deal, and it likely streamlines the game. I'm sure some mods will be out soon that will have a more historically accurate map. For now, just use your imagination and try to enjoy the game. It is a game, after all.

Edit: yes, I know all thirteen colonies hadn't been founded by 1700, but I think you see my point notwithstanding.

The weird thing is, Maine is presented as a colony, though historically it was part of Massachusetts until well into the 1800s. Colonies that did exist at the time are missing altogether. Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut?

[A Very Super Market]

AGH!

ITS FOR GAMEPLAY REASONS!!!

CA isn't going to make a separate region for Delaware, or New Jersey, or Connecticut, because there would be no point in it! The islands, naturally, are small, but they are spread out over such a large area that gameplay is improved by making them separate regions. Gibraltar, though smaller than what you mentioned is historically and strategically important, and the only way into the Med, unlike some of the colonies.

Are you asking for the "New England" region to extend all the way up to Acadia? Now there are too little regions for gameplay reasons.

[KarlXII]

AGH!

ITS FOR GAMEPLAY REASONS!!!

CA isn't going to make a separate region for Delaware, or New Jersey, or Connecticut, because there would be no point in it! The islands, naturally, are small, but they are spread out over such a large area that gameplay is improved by making them separate regions. Gibraltar, though smaller than what you mentioned is historically and strategically important, and the only way into the Med, unlike some of the colonies.

Are you asking for the "New England" region to extend all the way up to Acadia? Now there are too little regions for gameplay reasons.

No, you don't understand! This game is broken if I don't see Trenton!

/wrists

[anweRU]

AGH!
Are you asking for the "New England" region to extend all the way up to Acadia? Now there are too little regions for gameplay reasons.

Actually, I was just pointing out that CA has made more than one unusual choice in selecting regions, among several already pointed out above. And I don't see the logic of your final statement, considering the unnecessarily large Spain and France regions already in the game, which are far worse game balance errors IMHO. As UP, I can just waltz in and destroy France by 1703 if I wanted to!

[nafod]

AGH!

ITS FOR GAMEPLAY REASONS!!!

CA isn't going to make a separate region for Delaware, or New Jersey, or Connecticut, because there would be no point in it! The islands, naturally, are small, but they are spread out over such a large area that gameplay is improved by making them separate regions. Gibraltar, though smaller than what you mentioned is historically and strategically important, and the only way into the Med, unlike some of the colonies.

Are you asking for the "New England" region to extend all the way up to Acadia? Now there are too little regions for gameplay reasons.

Agreed. Gibralter is necessary so Spain can have more territory to have stacks stand around aimlessly.

[Prince Cobra]

This is probably somewhat of a subjective view (I'm Romanian), but come on... Wallachia and Bulgaria as a a single province?! And thus not representing Bucharest that was/is a major European city, by far more important to represent than Iasi, the capital of Moldavia which has its own province. It just seems so stupid... Why not make one province for Romania (minus Transylvania) and one for Bulgaria? These two people have little in common geopolitically, culturally, ethnically,....you name it. And they never formed a common state (although I do remember reading something about an attempt of forming a joint Bulgaro-Romanian state, but that was more of an idea.. ). They just thought "Oh, these two regions are close together, lets just make them into a province." Its like taking Savoy (Italians) and Provence (French) and putting them together...

Are there more of these booboos in the game? I didn't really get to look around that much yet...

I don't have much business in this thread and my comment will be a single and very short. There is a point and I catch it Olimpian. It is an annoying mistake but... ~:sigh:~ fact is a fact. It seems it has been unfluenced by the euro integration, maybe. Or just ignorance. Or maybe a reminder that Romania and Bulgaria shall work more with each other... who knows!

[The historian]

For the guys who don;t care about history true it doesn't really matter for you guys the game is fun because of battles more then the campaign.
For us historically minded people historical reality is important leaving the Wallchia issue behind I'd say having France and Spain as one province is totally ridiculous.
Playing as unlocked Genoa i took France and Spain in 20 turns now is that really possible? A small city state conquering the two strongest powers in western Europe in 10 years is just mind boggling.
The Genoese might have had a population of what 2-3 million at best and France and Spain 100 million they could have just charged the Genoese bare handed and won.
Unless the Genoese had at the least some machine guns i don't see how they could have made it
As for the thirteen colonies the reason they exist as a nation is the American market
But as i said before to everybody enjoy the game. For those of you expecting a more historically accurate game i say why did you didn't you play Medieval 2 or Rome? And also don't worry the mods will certainly fix this at some point
For the rest just understand us we like history and some of us are patriots it's the feeling that's all.
I don't blame CA they are a company and as any company their first and foremost objective is to make money .

[Olimpian]

You're right The historian, I'll just go back to playing EB till Empire Total Realism or something comes out.

[Beskar]

Being honest, I could see this thread turning out into a flame war with more provocative comments such as "It is not even a real country" (real: meaning none of the great powers).

Anyway, look on the bright side of life, your area of the world is in the game. There is a void spot in the middle of the Europe map covered by trees. I am sure my nation actually does exist and not a void hidden by an invasion of trees in the middle of Europe. (It is actually hidden by the Alps in reality. )

[amritochates]

That sir is the most impromptu use of Humor I have seen in a long times.

I bow to you sire

[Olimpian]

Maybe CA thought the Swiss are too neutral to cause any trouble...

On the serious side, it is a pretty dumb way of getting rid of a 'delicate' problem regarding your none-the-less existant country. Condolences

[The historian]

Sorry i misunderstood i understand now you'd prefer a simpler game then one with a lot of micromanagement the way i like them .

[Tantalaul]

Kingdom of Romania
This will balanced your over extended map and give you less moves in every end turn and I supposed that you know if you make a click on the mouse the game make moves faster so Mister G.W. this is not a valid reason. C.A. doesn’t bother with less money productive regions from global markets this is the real reason.
Why do you believe that they put that thing called 13 colonies? If you don’t know I tell you why, for your big market.

[Tantalaul]

This will be the Europe map for year 1600 - 1700 in my point of view

[Sheogorath]

This will be the Europe map for year 1600 - 1700 in my point of view
[IMG]http://www.totalwar.ro/map-romanian-MV.JPG[IMG]

There are several major problems with this map, though...

It almost ignores Sweden and the Baltic. Obviously major features in this era.

The shape of the German States does not reflect the reality of the 1700's. While ETW's doesn't exactly either, it does at least manage to give the 'feel'. Plus, this map has no Prussia and no Silesia, West or East Prussia.

The regions around the Crimea would prevent the Crimean Khannate from existing as it did in the period.

The map also simply would not work in...well...pretty much all of Eastern Europe.

So, while it may be 'balanced', it would also be, in my opinion, not much fun and rather ruin any glimmer of historical accuracy present in ETW.

Further, I rather like the elimination of tons of regions. Although at present it means the AI is terribly disadvantaged, hopefully CA will soon work the kinks out and fewer regions will mean you'll have to fight hard for each and every one, as opposed to LOL TEH BLITZ as in MTWII.