The game is just TOO perfect!

[Dogfish]

That is not the way to fix this game.

Not only did Corsica become a battle ground, every island did and you could set your watch by who invaded what when!

It was terrible!

I would rather have no fix than THAT FIX!!!!!!

Just cranking up the aggressiveness of the AI and having them spam invasions is a horrible idea!

I've seen several posters make the same kind of comment, and I'd just like to state that it is a very, very strawman argument.

People who are clamoring for the AI to properly use their navies as transport, like me, obviously don't want CA to put in a bugged solution to address a faulty part of the game. We want them to fix it. So everyone, please stop pointing out the MTW2 patch as a corollary to what will happen if CA tries to fix this problem. Because it is one. Naval transport is rather essential to colonization and warfare in this area.

And yes, this game is great. But it can be better. Really the conversation about this "game has bugs/game is perfect" thing reminds me of politics here in America. If you try to point out ways in which our country or this game can get better, you get people saying that it is perfect and everyone should shut up our leaders are doing a great job. Well, if something is perfect, it can't ever get better. If this game was perfect, we'd never need another Total War game, CA should just retire. So the first step is admitting that there are things that can be improved. This by no means is the same as saying that the whole things sucks. I feel like I have to include a damn caveat about how much I like the game everytime I'm discussing or venting about some of the flaws I'm running into. Jeebus.

Edit: Also, sorry, but this "Absolutely one of the best games of all time." is almost an absurd level of hyperbole. It can get there, yes, but in it's current state, no. Civ, X-Com, Jagged Alliance... there is some tough (and very polished) competition out there for being in the group of best ever. Let's not get carried away on the other end of the spectrum here.

[Sir Beane]

I've seen several posters make the same kind of comment, and I'd just like to state that it is a very, very strawman argument.

People who are clamoring for the AI to properly use their navies as transport, like me, obviously don't want CA to put in a bugged solution to address a faulty part of the game. We want them to fix it. So everyone, please stop pointing out the MTW2 patch as a corollary to what will happen if CA tries to fix this problem. Because it is one. Naval transport is rather essential to colonization and warfare in this area.

And yes, this game is great. But it can be better. Really the conversation about this "game has bugs/game is perfect" thing reminds me of politics here in America. If you try to point out ways in which our country or this game can get better, you get people saying that it is perfect and everyone should shut up our leaders are doing a great job. Well, if something is perfect, it can't ever get better. If this game was perfect, we'd never need another Total War game, CA should just retire. So the first step is admitting that there are things that can be improved. This by no means is the same as saying that the whole things sucks. I feel like I have to include a damn caveat about how much I like the game everytime I'm discussing or venting about some of the flaws I'm running into. Jeebus.

Edit: Also, sorry, but this "Absolutely one of the best games of all time." is almost an absurd level of hyperbole. It can get there, yes, but in it's current state, no. Civ, X-Com, Jagged Alliance... there is some tough (and very polished) competition out there for being in the group of best ever. Let's not get carried away on the other end of the spectrum here.

Well said Dogfish! There really is no need to align yourself with one extreme or the other. The game is not perfect, nor is it a buggy mess. It's a great game, that needs a bit of hard work and polish (and maybe some mods) to turn in it into a fantastic game .

[Fisherking]

I've seen several posters make the same kind of comment, and I'd just like to state that it is a very, very strawman argument.

People who are clamoring for the AI to properly use their navies as transport, like me, obviously don't want CA to put in a bugged solution to address a faulty part of the game. We want them to fix it. So everyone, please stop pointing out the MTW2 patch as a corollary to what will happen if CA tries to fix this problem. Because it is one. Naval transport is rather essential to colonization and warfare in this area.

If you had noted the quote I used then you would see why I referred to RTW &M2TW.

I didn’t think it address the problem so much as made those who wanted to see places invaded get their wish.

There are several possible reasons why the AI is not transporting troops. And yes it need to do that, at the least with some of the factions.

But the quick fix is usually what gets taken, and for me and others it is much worse than what is happening now.

If you want surprises and an AI that is unpredictable you would want that solution either.

Some of the Factions need to be intervening in wars across sea lanes and transporting reinforcement where they need them. Not just trolling for some place to invade.

The AI may be mishandling its units and fleet resources and not correctly assessing threats or opportunities.

If that is properly working, then you will see sea movement and possibly invasions from time to time.

If they take the standard quick fix they will up the aggression of the AI and make Island invasions a priority the AI can’t ignore…meaning that there will be a mad dash for every island in every sea and you can watch the same process in every campaign.

We have had two games degraded by this in the past. It would be about time to fix the underlying problem rather than continue with the same old same old.

If they can’t or won’t do that, then I would rather keep no sea transport by the AI than have these idiotic spam invasions.

I don’t know what priorities are coded into the AI but sea invasion should not be in the top 10.

I think trading away contiguous areas for provinces or islands far distant for their lands is a much bigger problem by and large.

England and France need to move troops by sea most definitely, and may need a higher priority in attacking the other anywhere in the world. Spain and UP do too but to a lesser degree.

Think of the bigger picture than just the narrow title…because if you don’t nothing else is going to get addressed.

[Sir Beane]

Thread closed until further notice.

[Martok]

The voice of the Camel Lord:



I've re-opened the thread after doing a bit of clean-up. So long as we remain civil with each other and not get too emotional with our arguments, the staff will allow it to remain open. (Otherwise I'll sic Sir Beane on it again. )