Whats Satanism?

[Emperor of Graal]

Whats Satanism, Heard of it but never knew...

[CountArach]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

Basically devil worshiping, but more complicated than that.

[Fragony]

It's not that bad, it's extreme individualism.

[Mooks]

According to some people at my school, im one of them because im a atheist.

[Husar]

It's not that bad, it's extreme individualism.

Yes, I know, because why would Satanism have anything to do with satan, right?
Pretty ignorant, just like the thought that capitalism had anything to do with capital...
Satanism is satan worshipping and individualism is individualism, everybody who tries to mix the two should think of another name for his religion, basta!

[Fragony]

Yes, I know, because why would Satanism have anything to do with satan, right?
Pretty ignorant, just like the thought that capitalism had anything to do with capital...
Satanism is satan worshipping and individualism is individualism, everybody who tries to mix the two should think of another name for his religion, basta!

Well from what I saw from it, I kinda like it. Satanists do not worship satan actually. What I find kinda silly is how such extreme individualism needs it's own church, but hey it's a religion.

[HoreTore]

Yes, I know, because why would Satanism have anything to do with satan, right?
Pretty ignorant, just like the thought that capitalism had anything to do with capital...
Satanism is satan worshipping and individualism is individualism, everybody who tries to mix the two should think of another name for his religion, basta!

No, unfortunately not, Husar

There are two kinds of Satanism. One is the christian version with the devil and all that. The other is a form of individualism, and the name "satanism" is used not because it has anything to do with devils or gods(they're non-religious), but as an "in-your-face" shock kinda thing.

[KukriKhan]

Whats Satanism?

In my understanding, it's backwards Catholicism, with all the hierarchy and trappings of the roman church, done backwards.

[Husar]

The other is a form of individualism, and the name "satanism" is used not because it has anything to do with devils or gods(they're non-religious), but as an "in-your-face" shock kinda thing.

Nice for them, I find the christian version far more shocking, some of them dig up dead people and do weird things with them. And others do weird things to living people etc.
That the wussy version uses the same word just to seem more shocking is not my problem, but theirs, to me they're just using the wrong word and that is stupid, not shocking.

[rvg]

Strictly speaking, the Yezidi religion can be classified as satanism.

[Vuk]

DOOM!

[JAG]

Whats Satanism, Heard of it but never knew...

Obama Democrats.

[rvg]

Now it all makes sense.

[drone]

Back when LaVey was pushing his book, he seemed to want to separate satanism with the devil-worshiping, human-sacrificing loons. Basically his message was "do what you like with other consenting adults". Now that I look back on it, he was just a Libertarian pre-Goth sex fiend with a hot daughter.

[Yoyoma1910]

Oh... whoops, thought this was another thread on Stalinism...

[The Spartan (Returns)]

From Wiki: "Theistic Satanism, also known as Traditional Satanism, is a form of Satanism with the primary belief that Satan is an actual deity or force worthy of reverence or worship."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism

There are different kinds of Satanism =P

[rasoforos]

Christianity-Satanism

Potato-Potato

Definition: The belief that there is an almighty deity that de facto agrees 100% to all of your opinions and therefore gives you the right to use whatever means necessary to force them onto others. The people who are not with you are with the 'evil one'.

[Strike For The South]

Christianity-Satanism

Potato-Potato

Definition: The belief that there is an almighty deity that de facto agrees 100% to all of your opinions and therefore gives you the right to use whatever means necessary to force them onto others. The people who are not with you are with the 'evil one'.

Your pulpit is growing rather tiresome. We get it, christians are the evil incarnate. I'm sure there is some other form of the man you can rag on.

Capitalism?
The Patriarch system in the west keeping women in check?
The American hegemony?
The white man keeping the brown man down?

I await your insights.

[Vuk]

Christianity-Satanism

Potato-Potato

Definition: The belief that there is an almighty deity that de facto agrees 100% to all of your opinions and therefore gives you the right to use whatever means necessary to force them onto others. The people who are not with you are with the 'evil one'.

Read my sig. Edward Gibbon mentions in his The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire that travellers to Alexandria were amazed, because the Christian minority there supported not only their own poor, but the poor of the entire city. It is not socialism, but Christian charity that helps the poor and underpriviledged. It is in the Bible, and throughout history the amount that Christians around the world have given to charity is mindblowing - from the ancient world to the present. You can point to things like the crusades and the inquisition (where the control mechanism that is the catholic church murdered millions of Bible believers) that people did claiming to in the name of God, but if you look at the Bible (the Word of God, God on earth), the Bible does not teach such things at all.
Before you go bashing Christianity (on a completely unrelated thread no-less), maybe you should read the Bible.

[CountArach]

Capitalism?
The Patriarch system in the west keeping women in check?
The American hegemony?
The white man keeping the brown man down?

Wait... is that permission?

[rasoforos]

Before you go bashing Christianity (on a completely unrelated thread no-less), maybe you should read the Bible.

I am not bashing Christianity. I am, in plain words I believe, trying to demonstrate that any religion with an unquestionable authority at the top is destined to lead to 'end justifies the means' behavior because it is in people's nature to identify their views as correct and in extension the same as the views of their deity.

At the same time you replied in a very defensively aggressive way. I criticize the infallibility of belief in omnipotent deities and all of a sudden I am 'Christian bashing?' I think it proves my point that 'The people who are not with you are with the 'evil one'.'

In a topic discussing the connection of Christianity and Satanism I would hardly describe my post as unrelated to the thread.

It is not however my purpose to cause offense in any way.

[Vuk]

I am not bashing Christianity. I am, in plain words I believe, trying to demonstrate that any religion with an unquestionable authority at the top is destined to lead to 'end justifies the means' behavior because it is in people's nature to identify their views as correct and in extension the same as the views of their deity.

At the same time you replied in a very defensively aggressive way. I criticize the infallibility of belief in omnipotent deities and all of a sudden I am 'Christian bashing?' I think it proves my point that 'The people who are not with you are with the 'evil one'.'

In a topic discussing the connection of Christianity and Satanism I would hardly describe my post as unrelated to the thread.

It is not however my purpose to cause offense in any way.

First of all, the thread is called "Whats Satanism?", not "How is Satanism Related to Christianity?", so it is completely unrelated.
Second of all, slandering a religion IS bashing it.
Third of all, your point is wrong, because God does not tell Christians what to do, except through the Bible, and the Bible does tell Christians to persecute other people or to force their religion on other people. In fact, the message of the Bible is quite the opposite of "the end justifies the means".
Also, if you knew anything about either religion, you would know that Satanism and Christianity are about as far removed as they could be.

[Fragony]

Also, if you knew anything about either religion, you would know that Satanism and Christianity are about as far removed as they could be.

Not so much. An eye for an eye for example, if you scrap the new testament it's pretty much compatible. Calvin would have agreed curly

[rasoforos]

Second of all, slandering a religion IS bashing it.

In your book criticizing and slandering is the same word. There is nothing I can say that will dissuade you because you just set your mind in your opinion.

Screaming 'bashing' every time someone tries to voice a different religious opinion is a good tried and tested method. Works almost every time.

Also the bible is a wholly different topic. We can discuss it in a different thread if you like but it has nothing whatsoever to do with my post.

Anyway I have stated my oppinion and provided arguments. If we engage in a war of posts we will high jack the thread. So I will refrain from further posts.

[Vuk]

In your book criticizing and slandering is the same word. There is nothing I can say that will dissuade you because you just set your mind in your opinion.

Screaming 'bashing' every time someone tries to voice a different religious opinion is a good tried and tested method. Works almost every time.

Also the bible is a wholly different topic. We can discuss it in a different thread if you like but it has nothing whatsoever to do with my post.

Anyway I have stated my oppinion and provided arguments. If we engage in a war of posts we will high jack the thread. So I will refrain from further posts.

This will also be my last post.
First of all, a religion IS its Holy Book. What do you mean you were talking about Christianity and not the Bible? They are one and the same. "And the Word was with God, and the Word was God" It is unfair to judge a religion by anything but its Holy Book, because that is the religion.
Also, you were not "criticizing" Christianity (that would be saying that you disagree with it for whatever reason), you were saying it that it was something that it was not, which is bashing it.
To give one of those lousy analogies that I am (in)famous for:
You are a vegetarian, and you do not approve of the work a butcher does. Criticizing him would be to say that you think killing animals is wrong and he should not do it. Bashing him would be to say "You are just like those evil soldiers! You are committing mass murder for money! It is part of a capitalist conspiracy!"
Get my point?
(I promise, no more analogies for me today :P)

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Personally I think you're both wrong.

Vuk, a religion is more than it's Holy Book, it is also the traditions of how you read that book.

Rastaforos, doing something in the name of a person/religion/philosohpy does not make that entity responsible. Communism is not responsible for Stalin.

Frag, The "eye for an eye" thing is one of the first bits ditched in the Gosepl of Mathew.

OT: I never understood why Satanism backs the loser in the war to control the world. After all, as far as I know, they take the Bible and turn it upside down. Sort of like the the ultimate conspiracy theory.

[Hax]

First of all, a religion IS its Holy Book. What do you mean you were talking about Christianity and not the Bible? They are one and the same. "And the Word was with God, and the Word was God" It is unfair to judge a religion by anything but its Holy Book, because that is the religion.

We do not have a typical "holy book" in Shinto. The closest thing is the Record of Ancient Matters [Kojiki] other texts that would come close are the Jinno Shotoki [Chronicles of the Authentic Lineages of the Divine Emperors] by Kitabatake Chikafusa and the Shoku Nihongi [Chronicles of Japan].

A religion is not made by the books, I think; I think it is made by the followers.

Rastaforos, doing something in the name of a person/religion/philosohpy does not make that entity responsible. Communism is not responsible for Stalin.

I do agree with here, though on the next subject;

I never understood why Satanism backs the loser in the war to control the world.

I hardly think Satanists regard it as if they are backing the losing side. Reminds me of some lines by Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate:

You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it can split atoms with its desire; you build egos the size of cathedrals; fiber-optically connect the world to every eager impulse; grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green, gold-plated fantasies, until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own God... and where can you go from there?

I can understand why they think that the war between God and Satan is being won by Satan; though I personally believe in neither.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

We do not have a typical "holy book" in Shinto. The closest thing is the Record of Ancient Matters [Kojiki] other texts that would come close are the Jinno Shotoki [Chronicles of the Authentic Lineages of the Divine Emperors] by Kitabatake Chikafusa and the Shoku Nihongi [Chronicles of Japan].

A religion is not made by the books, I think; I think it is made by the followers.

As I understand it Shintoism is not a prophetic or relelationary religion. There's a difference, not to mention that Christianity is an historic religion. It is based around a particular sequence of events that took place at a particular time to particular people. That story is essential to Christianity.

I hardly think Satanists regard it as if they are backing the losing side. Reminds me of some lines by Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate:



I can understand why they think that the war between God and Satan is being won by Satan; though I personally believe in neither.

Wars of ideology are funny things, they are only won when one side gives up.