Non-Dismountable Cavalry Exploited

[Relic]

Click above to watch

Very simply.
Since some units of cavalry can not dismount, if you station some men (even firelock citizenry) in buildings, they can defeat one of the toughest cavalry units there is.

Just in-case you were wondering, I had another unit of citizens who fled after taking out 3 and losing about 27, but they were scouting outside.

This seems like a VERY serious problem, especially in online battles.


Relic.


EDIT: Since a lot of people failed to realise, I was the US. The AI was the INDIANS. THEY attacked me. IN THE CAMPAIGN!

[ArtillerySmoke]

lolwut?

1) Why would you attack infantry in a building with cavalry? Don't do it unless they can dismount...obviously.

2) In the vid, you're just walking your cavalry around outside the building. If I was playing I would realize in like 3 seconds that the cavalry were sitting ducks, and have them sprint away and put them to use somewhere else.

This isn't a bug or exploit imo - it's Captain Obvious.

[Relic]

lolwut?

1) Why would you attack infantry in a building with cavalry? Don't do it unless they can dismount...obviously.

2) In the vid, you're just walking your cavalry around outside the building. If I was playing I would realize in like 3 seconds that the cavalry were sitting ducks, and have them sprint away and put them to use somewhere else.

This isn't a bug or exploit imo - it's Captain Obvious.

Uhm. I was the Americans. Considering you CAN'T PLAY as the Huron Confederacy without modding. Look at the UI before making such a strong comment. By the looks of things you didn't even read the post.

[ArtillerySmoke]

Uhm. I was the Americans. Considering you CAN'T PLAY as the Huron Confederacy without modding. Look at the UI before making such a strong comment. By the looks of things you didn't even read the post.

I haven't got the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

Not being sarcastic either - just at a total loss.

What?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I haven't got the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

Not being sarcastic either - just at a total loss.

What?

It was not his cavalry!

Did you read what he wrote at all???

[Ardri]

This thread is like watching a two trains heading at each other full speed and not being able to do anything about it.

[ArtillerySmoke]

It was not his cavalry!

Did you read what he wrote at all???

....

Look what the last guy wrote: Infantry solves this.

/thread.

[NimitsTexan]

It was not his cavalry!

Did you read what he wrote at all???

Yes . . . and regardless of who was controlling what in the video, he was talking about its implications in multiplayer battles.

And, actually, there is a not a problem. From the realism perspective, mounted troops with only edged weapons would find it difficult or impossible to defeat musket-armed troops in a fortified building. From a game balance perspecitve, each units has to have certain limitations; in this case, this is what artillery and infantry is for.

[Vlad Tzepes]

I don't get it either, sorry. Why would it be a "serious bug" that you can't get horses in a house? People have the right to be polite, after all, and not gallop through other people's living room, not even in war. Let's keep civil, even the military.

Really, I've seen this "bug" before, in MTW and RTW, where cavalry could not climb ladders during a siege. They couldn't even man (err, horse?) a ram, as well. Horses can be quite stuborn creatures. We're lucky TW doesn't feature asses, after all, now these are really stuborn, I hear. Equus africanus asinus, that is, not the other... you know.

[Ardri]

I haven't played any online, but it doesn't seem this would really be a problem unless someone used an exclusively mounted army. I'd also add that this doesn't really bother me because if a cavalry unit is outstanding at fighting on horseback, that doesn't necessarily translate to being effective at dismounting and clearing out buildings. I guess that everyone cavalry unit could work like dragoons, but doesn't seem like that is really necessary.

[ArtillerySmoke]

I haven't played any online, but it doesn't seem this would really be a problem unless someone used an exclusively mounted army. I'd also add that this doesn't really bother me because if a cavalry unit is outstanding at fighting on horseback, that doesn't necessarily translate to being effective at dismounting and clearing out buildings. I guess that everyone cavalry unit could work like dragoons, but doesn't seem like that is really necessary.

It's the whole point. Dragoons dismount - and therefore, you could use them to ride up to a building (again, RUNNING, not walking lol) and dismount to storm the inside. Alternatively, you could just use infantry - you know, the "old fashioned way".

What you cannot do is expect every single cavalry unit to be capable of dismounting and storming buildings. It's called balance. Some units can, some units can't.

I just think the OP's example is crazy. What did he expect his cavalry to do? He kept walking them back and forth in front of a building loaded with infantry.

This is like complaining that a tank can't disassemble itself and walk into a building after infantry.

[NimitsTexan]

Click above to watch

Very simply.
Since some units of cavalry can not dismount, if you station some men (even firelock citizenry) in buildings, they can defeat one of the toughest cavalry units there is.

Just in-case you were wondering, I had another unit of citizens who fled after taking out 3 and losing about 27, but they were scouting outside.

This seems like a VERY serious problem, especially in online battles.


Relic.

Simple exploit fix: Bring infantry.