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    The officer was in the right here. Some drunk nancy boy with a heart condition thought it was cool to start something with the cop and his boy struck him in the back.

    Nothing but trash these people. Some of you hate tasers? Well I hate drunk- who think they are unbreakable. Some people need to get a job.

    As soon as the guy came toward him looking for a fight the cop should've tasered him. The cops job is not to go toe to toe with him it's to take a violent man down with as little harm as possible.

    The old geezer will remember his failed heart the next time he has a surge of testosterone. What a tool.

    EDIT: And for the recored my experinice with the cops has been good maybe its because I look them in the eye and show them respect and not pretend like my rights are being violated every two seconds
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    Pretty much, i just watched the video again and it looks like the drunkards all tried to resist their arrest, also not how the guy who gets tasered is beating a policeman beforehand and doesn't want to let go, he isn't a fragile old man, he is a fat drunkard who beats police officers.
    The correct way to "save" his son would be to let the policemen do, maybe try to sway them with words only and then use legal means to get his son out of custody if necessary. AFAIK most drunkards just get dropped into a cell until they are sober and then they're released, definitely worth crippling a police officer over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Ah, yes, being pulled over for driving to fast, poor people who endanger themselves and others, I really can understand why they hate police. Well, i can tell you the difference, I live in Germany, here police don't put a gun in your face, tell you to get out and then strip-search you just because you were 1km/h too fast. i know that police in the US can be really bad but that doesn't make me spout blanket statements on the net or look down at police here as well.And being pulled over in cars is easily avoided by using trains, which I advocated here before.
    lol, no offense, but that is a very ill-informed statement. I am afraid that you watch too much TV. :P In the US they only pull you over for going 8+ MPH over the speed limit (in most States), and the do not draw a weapon on you because you speed. :P They approach your car, tell you that you were speeding, ask you why, ask for your drivers liscense, go to their car to check your record and issue your fine/warning, then return it to you, explain it, and drive away.
    I will not blame you for you misconception, as the media loves to promote such ideas. On the topic of the article though, the policeman was seperating the fat old drunken **** from the others, and he attacked the policeman. The policeman was defending himself and had NO reason to believe that a taser could be fatal to him. After all, if his heart was in that bad of condition, why was he getting drunk and brawling? An innocent young man's life is ruined now, and the guilty party has gotten away scotfree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    lol, no offense, but that is a very ill-informed statement. I am afraid that you watch too much TV. :P In the US they only pull you over for going 8+ MPH over the speed limit (in most States), and the do not draw a weapon on you because you speed. :P They approach your car, tell you that you were speeding, ask you why, ask for your drivers liscense, go to their car to check your record and issue your fine/warning, then return it to you, explain it, and drive away.
    I wasn't 100% serious, I just tried to catch the sprit of many posters here and what they say about the police.
    You also raise a good point about having a weak heart, then getting drunk, starting a brawl and then hitting a policeman, that's pretty rich for a weak old fart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    I wasn't 100% serious, I just tried to catch the sprit of many posters here and what they say about the police.
    You also raise a good point about having a weak heart, then getting drunk, starting a brawl and then hitting a policeman, that's pretty rich for a weak old fart.
    lol, sorry that I misunderstood you then. It is just very frustrating for me over here in Europe for the first time, to hear what people think of America (I think rather as it would be for a Frenchman coming to America). People have actually asked me if I have ever been in a gun fight! Why? Because I am American and they think that America is a mix between some John Wayne cowboy movie and Gangs of New York City. :P Some of the awefull things people think about America and Americans is not just so wrong, it is very offending. :P The media here in Hungary for instance says some of the most wild and inaccurate things. And the media in Germany! lol, please don't hold it against me when I get defensive, because the entire world has such a warped and inaccurate image of America that it is some times hard not to. :P

    Anyway, about the weak heart, my dad died of a heart attack, because he had heart condition for several years. He used to drive 4 screwdrivers a day, smoke, and live a less than healthy lifestyle (visiting the bar a lot). When he learned he had a heart condition, he stopped eating salty food, stopped drinking completely, stopped smoking completely, stopped going to bar rooms, and lived a very cautious and much slower life. He was on the way to recovery when an unfortunate event worsened conditions and resulted in a heart attack that killed him. Point is though, if you have heart problems, you do not go drinking like a fish and getting in brawls. Who would think that a drunk brawler like him would have heart conditions? It makes no sense.
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    I can see the logic behind the criticisms of the older guy... he probably shouldn't be drinking and fighting in his health state....

    That being said someone should be free to carry on drinking regardless of thier health... the fact is he went out with his sons and trouble started... from the sounds of it he wasn't really the troublemaker and was trying to defend his children, which is admirable regardless of who is attacking them and why...

    The police officer couldn't have known of his condition.... well i think that should be at the front of the police's minds every time they decide to use devices such as tasers and the like. With a result like the one from this case im sure it will help police think twice before they act excessively...
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    They are moving away from capsicum spray, to tasers, as many cases recently have seen capsicum spray useless. I think they've had to kill a few people because they sprayed him, had many guns on him, but he still charged them with a weapon intending to kill.

    Tasers are being introduced in QLD at least, as proper equipment, I'm not sure about WA, where this took place.
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    I can see the logic behind the criticisms of the older guy... he probably shouldn't be drinking and fighting in his health state....

    That being said someone should be free to carry on drinking regardless of thier health... the fact is he went out with his sons and trouble started... from the sounds of it he wasn't really the troublemaker and was trying to defend his children, which is admirable regardless of who is attacking them and why...

    The police officer couldn't have known of his condition.... well i think that should be at the front of the police's minds every time they decide to use devices such as tasers and the like. With a result like the one from this case im sure it will help police think twice before they act excessively...
    At the front of his mind? How is he supposed to know? Should he ask him? "Excuse me, could you please let go of my throat so that I can ask you about your heart before I tase you?" A taser is not exactly excessive force. It was selfdefense, and the guy is lucky that it was ONLY a taser. The law keeps peace and safeguards people's personal freedom and rights. As such, respecting them is respecting the rights, freedoms, and safety of all individuals. On the other side of that coin, when you attack them, you attack the rights, freedoms, and safety of all individuals, and there are and should be serious consquences for that. The policeman did NOT use excessive force in that instance, and what the younger drunked ***** did was malicious and should have been heavily punished.
    Personally, I hope the whole trio of them get drunk and drive right off a cliff. It will make this world a better place.
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    At the front of his mind? How is he supposed to know? Should he ask him? "Excuse me, could you please let go of my throat so that I can ask you about your heart before I tase you?" A taser is not exactly excessive force.

    That is exactly my point... you cannot now the state of the persons health so you should be extremly cautious to use a taser... especially on someone who's a little older... personally i hope to god none of my friends are ever tasered near me.... unless they had a very good reason i woul defend my friend....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    At the front of his mind? How is he supposed to know? Should he ask him? "Excuse me, could you please let go of my throat so that I can ask you about your heart before I tase you?" A taser is not exactly excessive force.

    That is exactly my point... you cannot now the state of the persons health so you should be extremly cautious to use a taser... especially on someone who's a little older... personally i hope to god none of my friends are ever tasered near me.... unless they had a very good reason i woul defend my friend....
    So how are you cautious then? When someone attacks a cop, it is something they know will happen to them (if they are not shot outright). The police have to defend themselves, and they have to 'win' if they are to protect the freedoms of others. It was the drunkard's responsibility to know this and act accordingly.
    As to what you said about attacking police, no offense, but if something like this happens and you attack a police officer, I hope you are dealt with quickly and decisively. As I said in my above post, an attack on a police officer acting within the law is an attack on the rights, freedoms, and safety of everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    ... from the sounds of it he wasn't really the troublemaker and was trying to defend his children, which is admirable regardless of who is attacking them and why...
    Excuse me, the police officers were just restraining his drunken sons who were involved in a brawl (to me brawl includes beating people but then I'm not a native english speaker) and he beat a police officer in the stomach, what exactly is heroic about that?

    Do you think family feuds are heroic as well?


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    They are moving away from capsicum spray, to tasers, as many cases recently have seen capsicum spray useless. I think they've had to kill a few people because they sprayed him, had many guns on him, but he still charged them with a weapon intending to kill.

    Tasers are being introduced in QLD at least, as proper equipment, I'm not sure about WA, where this took place.
    Tasers are part of their proper equipment, at least that is what my friend said. He also said that before they were allowed to use them, they had to be tasered, so they would know exactly what they were doing to someone.

    With regards to what actually happened I'm about 90% sure it went something like this:

    The elderly man and his sons were inside the Old Bailey having a drink. Some native Australians (did I mention they were recent immigrants from Britain?) had a go at their country. They took offence to this, and had a verbal go back, whereupon the typical Australian response of 'well off back where you come from and stop ruining our country...' was proffered.
    A fight then broke out inside the pub, spilled out onto the streets and some coppers who were around got involved (well it was right outside a police station, what were they expecting?)...

    The rest of the story you know.

    Interesting sidenote; the lawyer that got them off was in a cafe I frequent, in the city, yesterday afternoon (my friend's mum owns it... I get free stuff... Woot!). The aforementioned owner was very unhappy, but lets put it this way, he didn't have horns and a tail that I can see, and while there are plenty of jokes about lawyers being scum of the earth etc. etc. you have to realise at the end of the day, the guy was acquitted by a jury of 12 ordinary people. Ergo, twelve ordinary people thought he was innocent and when asked as such after hearing all the evidence said so.
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    If those 12 people were as friendly towards police as some posters here I can see why they let him off...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    lol, sorry that I misunderstood you then. It is just very frustrating for me over here in Europe for the first time, to hear what people think of America (I think rather as it would be for a Frenchman coming to America).
    You don't have to go to Europe to hear that. Just visit Canada. Most people here think that Americans are uneducated barbarians. I think they pretty much hate the US more than any European does.
    And going to the US as a French is fine, as long as you stay in civilized places ;)

    As for the topic, well, I don't have any experience with policemen outside of my country, and I have to say that I have mixed feelings about them. Sometimes they're quite nice, sometimes they're freaking horrible and arrogants.
    I think that in any case, nobody deserves to be as badly injured as that guy is. If I were a friend of him, I would be pretty much pissed off, even though the conditions in which it happened are less than clearcut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meneldil View Post
    You don't have to go to Europe to hear that. Just visit Canada. Most people here think that Americans are uneducated barbarians. I think they pretty much hate the US more than any European does.
    And going to the US as a French is fine, as long as you stay in civilized places ;)

    As for the topic, well, I don't have any experience with policemen outside of my country, and I have to say that I have mixed feelings about them. Sometimes they're quite nice, sometimes they're freaking horrible and arrogants.
    I think that in any case, nobody deserves to be as badly injured as that guy is. If I were a friend of him, I would be pretty much pissed off, even though the conditions in which it happened are less than clearcut.
    lol, that was a joke BTW. Americans do have lots of stereotypes about the French, but 99% of Americans are courteous people who will treat you kindly no matter where you come from. Every foriegner I have met who came to the US (including 2 Frenchmen) were extremely impressed by how friendly people were (with the exception of the French lady who went to NYC. Here is some advice, stay out of Chicago and NYC, it does not get much worse. :P). Even she said though that she got a much more favorable impression of America.

    (Oh yeah, I even met a Dutch guy who came here and loved America. Can you imagine that? A Dutchman who does not hate America anymore! Doesn't get weirder than that...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vuk View Post
    lol, that was a joke BTW. Americans do have lots of stereotypes about the French, but 99% of Americans are courteous people who will treat you kindly no matter where you come from. Every foriegner I have met who came to the US (including 2 Frenchmen) were extremely impressed by how friendly people were (with the exception of the French lady who went to NYC. Here is some advice, stay out of Chicago and NYC, it does not get much worse. :P). Even she said though that she got a much more favorable impression of America.

    (Oh yeah, I even met a Dutch guy who came here and loved America. Can you imagine that? A Dutchman who does not hate America anymore! Doesn't get weirder than that...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooks View Post
    Matters where you go. If you go for the southern/midwestern then what you said is true. If you go new england then its a entirely different matter.
    As a guy who originated from that area and lived there for some time, I can honestly say that North East Coast United States is home to some of the most arrogant, snobbish, and down-right corrupt people on the face of the earth. It does not matter who you are, foriegn or not, you will be treated like crap there. The only place I have ever been where it is worse is Chicago, but that is another bad apple on the tree. Not meaning to offend anyone who lives there, but that has been my honest experience in those places.
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    I think we're somewhat oot here, but most people I met in Boston were quite nice. I actually loved New England, it felt like Europe, with this touching out of time feeling when you'd leave the big towns and visit the countryside. And being European there instantly grants you coolness points.

    Just to go back to the topic, I also found most cops in NYC to be quite nice and helpful. Probably because they're used to deal with stupid tourists.

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    Excuse me, the police officers were just restraining his drunken sons who were involved in a brawl (to me brawl includes beating people but then I'm not a native english speaker) and he beat a police officer in the stomach, what exactly is heroic about that?

    Its a big jump from admirable to heroic, giving to charity or helping your nieghbour with a chore are admirable things... but far from heroic...

    It was admirable that he intervened to stop his son's getting hurt regardless of risk to himself, i suppose that doesn't nessecarily make it right... but i wouldn't let anyone beat up my children no matter the justificition

    Do you think family feuds are heroic as well?

    Only when somebody jumps on a grenade....

    So how are you cautious then?

    Im constantly paranoid about hitting someone the wrong way... just the slightest hit on the head can cause so much damage... you have to be damn careful...

    When someone attacks a cop, it is something they know will happen to them (if they are not shot outright).

    If your child is being attacked by the cops, it must be very hard to restrain yourself...

    As to what you said about attacking police, no offense, but if something like this happens and you attack a police officer, I hope you are dealt with quickly and decisively. As I said in my above post, an attack on a police officer acting within the law is an attack on the rights, freedoms, and safety of everyone.

    Well as i calrified in my statement
    unless they had a very good reason i woul defend my friend....

    So you would like the police to taser my friend without a good reason and get away with it ?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    It was admirable that he intervened to stop his son's getting hurt regardless of risk to himself, i suppose that doesn't nessecarily make it right... but i wouldn't let anyone beat up my children no matter the justificition
    the video doesn't show the police beating up anyone, they were more like wrestling trying to bring them into a position to apply handcuffs.

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    If your child is being attacked by the cops, it must be very hard to restrain yourself...
    Well, I was attacked by a group of people when I was younger, they formed a cicle around me and threw a leather football at me, it hurt not only my skin but also my pride so i picked someone and attacked him, he ran away and I chased him. At the end of a path he fell onto the sidewalk, few meters away from my parents' house. I kicked him hard while he was lying on the ground, my dad saw it and sent me into my room. Nowadays I'm grateful he did that.
    So according to your stance my dad should probably have come and supported his son by kicking on the guy on the ground as well?

    My point is his son was in the wrong, a good dad does not support his son when he is wrong, instead he shows him the right thing to do, sometimes via punishment.

    His son was drunk and was beating people, his dad should have stopped him but he even took part in the brawl, then police comes and tries to do what the dad should have done in the first place and daddy starts beating policemen, that isn't admirable, it's a total failure of a dad.


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    So how are you cautious then?

    Im constantly paranoid about hitting someone the wrong way... just the slightest hit on the head can cause so much damage... you have to be damn careful...
    We are not talking about hitting people though, we are talking about a taser. How was he supposed to be cautious in that situation?

    When someone attacks a cop, it is something they know will happen to them (if they are not shot outright).

    If your child is being attacked by the cops, it must be very hard to restrain yourself...
    That is a fairly pathetic excuse. First of all, his child was NOT being attacked by cops, which makes it completely unrelated. Second of all, he is a grown adult and a citizen of his country, maybe he should show some self control. When I was a little kid, there was a girl I really liked. We were out playing baseball with kids from the school, and one of them threw a piece of watermelon on her dress and she started crying. Instead of doing the right thing and just making sure it didn't escalate, I attacked the kid. I beat the snot out of him, and two of his friends. When I got home I had two big cuts on my face, a massive bruise, and severely cut lip. My dad asked me what happened, and being the tough little boy I was, I started bragging about what I did. He smacked me right across my cut face, helped me clean up, and took me over to the other kids houses to apologize. I couldn't look anyone in the face for weeks after that, but I learned a good lesson, don't fight. Some may think my dad was a little course (and perhaps he was), but he was responsible, and he did the right thing. He set a good example for his children, so that they would do the right thing as well.
    If your child breaks the law and is being handcuffed for it, you do not attack a policeman. That is absolutely no excuse at all. No wonder his sons turned out to be the scum that they are. The guy is an irresponsible, violent, drunk...not a parent.

    As to what you said about attacking police, no offense, but if something like this happens and you attack a police officer, I hope you are dealt with quickly and decisively. As I said in my above post, an attack on a police officer acting within the law is an attack on the rights, freedoms, and safety of everyone.

    Well as i calrified in my statement
    unless they had a very good reason i woul defend my friend....

    So you would like the police to taser my friend without a good reason and get away with it ?!
    I said "if something like this happens", and I do not consider this an example of the police not having good reason. I said it, because you seem to. You see, it is our opinions on what constitutes a good reason that is causing the confusion.
    And to tackle your question, no, I do not think that they should get away with it, but I also think that attacking them makes you just as guilty. They are not shooting your friend, they are tasing them. Big difference. You take them to court if you thought that they did not have good reason, you do not attack them. You cannot attack everyone who you disagree with. I can see if you are protecting your friend's well being or life (like if they are continually tasing him (ei torturing him), or beating the snot out of him without a good reason), but otherwise, you bring it before the people and let justice work.

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    So Vuk, did you copy my post or do we perhaps just have the same dad?

    As an aside, you might want to stop quoting your own post as "Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    So Vuk, did you copy my post or do we perhaps just have the same dad?

    As an aside, you might want to stop quoting your own post as "Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly".
    lol, I was inserting my answers into his quote. :P And no, that is really my dad. He was a Marine for 8 years, did work with the police and the postal service later. (ok, no jokes about that :P) He was a very "no nonesense" person, and he knew he had nothing to prove. I think he was a good parent though, and he did a really good job raising his kids. I am happy to have had him for an example.
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