Empire's Expansion

[Relic]

I was wondering what you guys would like it to be?

Personally I'd like a scenario type thing like in Kingdoms:

• The Napoleonic Wars
• The American Civil War
• The Opium Wars

Relic

[Feanaro]

I'd like to see something like Viking Invasion, expanded the timeline and gameplay. Include a new scenario or two but focus on those. Expand the timeline to the 1850-60's. Expand the map of America sometime in the start of the 1800's. Stuff like that.

[Bob the Insane]

I'd like to see something like Viking Invasion, expanded the timeline and gameplay. Include a new scenario or two but focus on those. Expand the timeline to the 1850-60's. Expand the map of America sometime in the start of the 1800's. Stuff like that.

Agreed...

In my opinion we could go all the way up to 1900. Other than the intorduction of rail ways there was no real change in how the world worked up to that point. Everything they had was just an evolved version of what you see in ETW.. To make it even more fun they could add africa to to map. The Battle of Isandlwana!! They could also expand the US map west. The new design of theatres allows for this, the individual campign maps do not have ot be bigger, they could simply add more...

The 19th century is packed full of conflict all over the globe...

The potential mod I am looking forward to the most would the age of discovery. Shot and Pike, early artillery, collonization races...

[crazyviking03]

Napoleonic expansion, with a little button that says Click for Preview. Upon clicking, we are givin a 30 second teaser trailor for Shogun 2 Total War

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[Galapagos]

Napoleonic expansion, with a little button that says Click for Preview. Upon clicking, we are givin a 30 second teaser trailor for Shogun 2 Total War

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Hope a TW that doesn't include Europe will not come in the future......

[Lusitani]

I think that the period between 1800-1914 would be the most interesting to cover.It is ,however, huge. The XIX is the century of Napoleon, of liberalism, of the emmergence of many modern nations; like Greece, Italy and Germany among others; its also during this century that most countries turn their attention to Africa, its the century of the 1812 War, the American Civil War, of the Opium Wars and many other conflicts in Africa and the Far East. Also in the beggining of the XX century thereare plenty of conflicts to be covered and specifically the North African Theatre becomes increasingly an arena for Britain, France, Italia, the Otoman Empire, etc...

So, basically this period gives plenty of opportunities for CA to embark upon...and if they regularly add contents to ETW piece by piece I find it quite possible to achieve. As a whole I believe it would become very incomplete.

V.

[ROFLMAO]

It's probably going to be Napolean, or at the very least CA will expand the map, perfect certain features and include a Napolean campaign. An Opium Wars campaign would be awesome, but it lacks market appeal. TBH, how many people actually know what the Opium Wars were? On the other hand, everyone knows Napolean and everyone knows the American Civil War. But still, the combat in the American Civil War is drastically different from the 18th century, and I don't think the Civil War will get the expansion (the ACW will get something, either now or later, though).

But yeah, I think it'll be Napolean. The Napoleanic Wars are more spread out, you can have campaigns in Turkey (Anglo-Russo-Turkish wars), Russia (Napolean's invasion of Russia) and even Haiti during their revolution, that way they don't have to scrap the whole map and start anew.

Personally, I'd enjoy an Eastern European campaign (the Serbs, Ottomans, etc.), a Zulu Kingdom campaign (not only the war with the British though), and a campaign about the South American Wars of Independence.

[Wausser]

I think that the period between 1800-1914 would be the most interesting to cover.It is ,however, huge. The XIX is the century of Napoleon, of liberalism, of the emmergence of many modern nations; like Greece, Italy and Germany among others; its also during this century that most countries turn their attention to Africa, its the century of the 1812 War, the American Civil War, of the Opium Wars and many other conflicts in Africa and the Far East. Also in the beggining of the XX century thereare plenty of conflicts to be covered and specifically the North African Theatre becomes increasingly an arena for Britain, France, Italia, the Otoman Empire, etc...

So, basically this period gives plenty of opportunities for CA to embark upon...and if they regularly add contents to ETW piece by piece I find it quite possible to achieve. As a whole I believe it would become very incomplete.

V.

But wars like the ACW, Crimean war and the Franco-German war are really different then the Napoleonic wars, and not really suitable for the ETW engine

[Skott]

I'm thinking that the Napoleananic War (1799-1815) is the next logical step but we'll see what CA does. I wouldnt be surprised if the modding community does it first and does it better though. It'll depend on how easy this new game engine is to mod.

[Darth Venom]

But wars like the ACW, Crimean war and the Franco-German war are really different then the Napoleonic wars, and not really suitable for the ETW engine

Agreed, the Total War system of strategic army movements and pitched battles didn't really exist anymore after Waterloo.
Which imho means an Napoleon expansion is the most likely.

[MikeV]

But wars like the ACW, Crimean war and the Franco-German war are really different then the Napoleonic wars, and not really suitable for the ETW engine

Looks like Empire:Total War isn't really suitable for this engine!

[Ordani]

I think that the period between 1800-1914 would be the most interesting to cover.It is ,however, huge. .

I highly doubt we'll ever see anything past the Crimean War with the TW battle model; the 1860s were the bookend to the days of close order drill, cavalry, close-support artillery, and set piece battles. While none of those things ever fell entirely out of the equation, by the mid 19th century:

The defensive infantry doctrines were coming into dominance (even if they weren't fully understood until the carnage of WWI made them impossible to ignore); Cavalry ceased to be a meaningful element of tactics and simply a means of getting infantry around faster; Rifled, precision artillery made the guns both immensely long-ranged and terribly powerful; command decisions were moved ever more steadily towards front-line officers and away from the field staff, changing major battles into a morass of tiny engagements between companies and regiments instead of a grandly architected movement of armies.

Not to say I wouldn't mind seeing them try, but the basic battle model hasn't changed since Shogun.

[Darth Venom]

I highly doubt we'll ever see anything past the Crimean War with the TW battle model; the 1860s were the bookend to the days of close order drill, cavalry, close-support artillery, and set piece battles. While none of those things ever fell entirely out of the equation, by the mid 19th century:
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Not to say I wouldn't mind seeing them try, but the basic battle model hasn't changed since Shogun.

Couldn't agree more. And since CA probably does now all of that as well, I'd say it's highly unlikely that there will be another TW game covering the decades after ~1860. Which implies that the Napoleonic period can only be done as an expansion (to ETW).

Personally I'd like to see MTW like starting years / different scenarios on the current (or larger map).

[Konig Prasatko]

Agreed...

In my opinion we could go all the way up to 1900. Other than the intorduction of rail ways there was no real change in how the world worked up to that point. Everything they had was just an evolved version of what you see in ETW.. To make it even more fun they could add africa to to map. The Battle of Isandlwana!! They could also expand the US map west. The new design of theatres allows for this, the individual campign maps do not have ot be bigger, they could simply add more...

The 19th century is packed full of conflict all over the globe...

The potential mod I am looking forward to the most would the age of discovery. Shot and Pike, early artillery, collonization races...

This would be ideal, a total world map running up to the year 1900 (Total World War can be the release after that followed by Total World War 2) All we need is periodic changes in units uniforms and equipment which could be handled like the Marian reforms in Rome games etc and an expanded tech/resource tree. That way the game could be much more free flowing and allow for endless scenarios. If CA wanted to supplement this grand endeavour with conflict specific add ons then that would be ok too.

PS hope we never get to the stage of 'SPACE 1999 TOTAL WAR' lol

[Subotan]

Bartix Total War?

Maybe?

[massimorocca]

Hmm Could I respectfully but absolutely disagree to the idea that the ACW wasn't fought in line formation? Certainly not line on the whole battlefront, (but this is true starting, at last, from the refused wing of Frederik the Great) but "every" single unit from regiment to division fought and fired, or tried it, shoulder to shoulder with colonel, brigadier and above always struggling, and so many times with no result, to have advance exactly in time and tempo with the side units. BTW if you see how the units in the Madminutegames "take Command" series (the best tactical ACW wargame on the market) move and fight you'll see that is identical to ETW!

[FesterShinetop]

I was wondering what you guys would like it to be?

Personally I'd like a scenario type thing like in Kingdoms:

• The Napoleonic Wars
• The American Civil War
• The Opium Wars

Relic

I agree. I just hope they are going to do something with the American Civil war...

[Lemur]

I expect I am the only Orgah on Earth rooting for the Opium Wars ...

[Polemists]

I doubt it, alot of Orgahs want to see Asia added and I certainly do as well but I think it'd serve better as a new TW rather then just a small expansion.

[therifleman]

I would like to see Civil War, but the ACW didn't revolve around line combat, Like 18th century warfare did. There was a whole lot of trench fighting, and other forms of cover based combat, which I do not think the current engine is molded for. I'd say a Napoleanic is much more likely just because of the engine. (And it involved the whole of Europe and US (1812)), not just the US.

[Polemists]

As much as I like the idea of just adding areas and extending the time frame 50 years, i'm not sure that'd work quite as well. Espically for people who want to play certain nations who fall in power greatly during the 1700-1800 span. So I think a small focused campaign, with individual theatres as mentioned, similiar to Kingdoms is best.

The engine is mostly made for line fighting and fort battles (even if forts are broken) along with massive naval engagements.

Civil War has alot of naval engagements (i know it surprised me) and Napolean has that big one (With nelson). I don't know if other wars, such as african theatres or asian ones would let the naval engine use itself well.

[disamen]

Great Northen wars and Napoleon wars

[NimitsTexan]

The Napoleonic Wars, by themselves, are too short of a time span for a whole TW game. Plus, the end game tech level is pretty much equivalent to Napoleonic tactics. In fact, the last few years of the Grand Campaign could, the first few years of what are generally considered the Napoleonic Wars era, in as much as Napoleon, though not in charge of France as a whole, was have significant success as a field commander.

Certainly, the Napoleonic Wars would work much better as a natural continution of ETW than as their own seperate game.

[Marquis of Roland]

This is not hard. Add another 100 years, add Africa, Asia, and South America. Add some new tech, units, events, etc.

I really want to see Africa, I don't know why, maybe its because I've been fighting too many natives

[Eusebius86]

The Napoleonic Wars. No questions asked.

[Monarch]

The Napoleonic Wars, by themselves, are too short of a time span for a whole TW game.

Amount of time really doesn't matter. Empire lasts 100 years, Medieval lasted 450. That's a huge difference and yet it's really not too noticable.

[NimitsTexan]

Amount of time really doesn't matter. Empire lasts 100 years, Medieval lasted 450. That's a huge difference and yet it's really not too noticable.

According to CA, it does. They have established that the criteria for a Total War game includes it must cover an "epic" period where significant social, techological, and tactical evolution is plausible. Napoleonic wars do not really offer that (for a new game; for an expansion, Napoleonics would be great, and I'd wager CA already something along those lines planned, if not in the works.)

[Warluster]

The ACW as a expansion; probably not going to happen. THe amount of work that would require. They would have to modify al of the weapons, all of the tactics, the map (which wouldn't have enough factions) plus the tactics in the ACW (The second half at least) are more similar to modern warfare then 18th Century massed formations. It would be very hard to simulate Petersburg, or even the three day battle at Gettysburg. The campaign map is much more suited for the ACW now; maybe the next game.

I think we're looking forward. THe 19th Century has so much potential that it deserves its own game. A high chance is going backwards. The religious wars of the 17th Century pose so much content, and the tactics used are very similar to those in E:TW, if not the same. In fact it also deserves its own game, but I can see CA expanding to 1650 or 1600, giving you the chance to colonize the Americas and India, or beat off the invaders.

THe most likely is a theatre expansion. Adding Africa, more of Asia is such a obvious choice they'll probably do it no matter what time frame they choose. Imagine the factions which could be added; a African nation fighting off European invaders, or playing as the Japanese Empire?

[Graphic]

I agree with the OP. Kingdoms style with at least Napoleon and US Civil War, those two are mandatory.

-OR-

An expansion of the main campaign that introduces Africa and/or East Asia.

[Swoosh So]

Im not really familiar with the wars in this time period so not really bothered as long as the fully functional multiplayer campaigns in before the expansion im happy, and if not id like to see the mp campaign as an expansion. Really hope ca stick to their promises on this one and deliver.