My post on the Sweden thread

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 03-18-2009, 06:12

Recent posters have made what could be called "offensive generalizations" against the Catholic recently. I am not offended - on the contrary, I welcome the opportunity to debase their assumptions. The point being, whether Vuk has a correct or incorrect opinion of Islam, it is his right to make his case in the same way that individuals can make their cases against Catholicism or Christianity. In both cases, the individuals have made a case against the religion, not the followers of that religion.

Ban both or ban neither. My opinion is that the latter is the better option.

**Vuk** · 03-18-2009, 08:05

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Recent posters have made what could be called "offensive generalizations" against the Catholic recently. I am not offended - on the contrary, I welcome the opportunity to debase their assumptions. The point being, whether Vuk has a correct or incorrect opinion of Islam, it is his right to make his case in the same way that individuals can make their cases against Catholicism or Christianity. In both cases, the individuals have made a case against the religion, not the followers of that religion.

Ban both or ban neither. My opinion is that the latter is the better option.

Thank you Evil Maniac From Mars, that was my point exactly. The Backroom mods are very hypocrytical when dealing with the subject. What Ibrahim has just presented is a counter argument (which I will be glad to answer in the Backroom). That is the reponse a discussion on religion is supposed to get, not a ban.
No offense Evil Maniac From Mars, but I have made arguments against the Catholic church as well, and not gotten in trouble for them. If I try to make them about Islam though, it results in an instant ban. I am still waiting of Tosa or BG to answer me as to why this is. I am not going to say the words "unfair censorship" until I recieve an answer.

**Adrian II** · 03-18-2009, 08:18

So far this is a perfectly good and reasonable discussion, albeit in Backroom style. I fail to see why we can't have it in the Backroom itself.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 03-18-2009, 09:18

The attack on Catholicism received the same warning as your post

**Vuk** · 03-18-2009, 09:25

Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The attack on Catholicism received the same warning as your post

Attack CK? As in singular?

**Vuk** · 03-18-2009, 09:33

The thing is that attacks are made against Christianity all the time in the Backroom. People constantly mentioning the crusades with comments about how warlike and evil Christianity is. People making comments about how oppresive it is. Heck, just look at what people were saying about Christianity on the Satanism thread. A small example, but one that comes easily to my mind, as I was debating some of them there. (note, debating, not reporting their posts and calling for them to be banned)
The moderation is completely hypocrytical, as it is perfectly acceptable for people to constantly make derrogatory remarks about Christianity, yet one cannot give their opinion on islam if it is not politically correct and in agreement with the opinions of the moderators.

**gollum** · 03-18-2009, 11:27

Why a Christian would need Christianity defended in an internet forum and Islam criticised? Why a Christian would want any religion other than his own for that matter criticised?

With all due respect, this is hypocritical because it shows that you regard religion as a matter of contest of impressions that is decided by public opinion. It is not. It is something very personal that should never be subjected to the *my dad/school/party/company/country/culture is better than yours* internal process.

Such a process is known as pride and in the Christian spiritual tradition is regarded as a sin.

There is no room for politics in religion. There is only room for politics between religious institutions.

**Ibrahim** · 03-18-2009, 18:43

Originally Posted by Vuk

Thank you Evil Maniac From Mars, that was my point exactly. The Backroom mods are very hypocrytical when dealing with the subject. What Ibrahim has just presented is a counter argument (which I will be glad to answer in the Backroom). That is the reponse a discussion on religion is supposed to get, not a ban.
No offense Evil Maniac From Mars, but I have made arguments against the Catholic church as well, and not gotten in trouble for them. If I try to make them about Islam though, it results in an instant ban. I am still waiting of Tosa or BG to answer me as to why this is. I am not going to say the words "unfair censorship" until I recieve an answer.

one you WON'T win (nor have exaclty 258* other victims..uh deabters)

anyways, I would truly love to debate on this, as I have others before me. but I have no permit to go to the backroom, nor do I intend to get one; the TWcenter was too much for me to handle (WAY too many people to prove all wrong, and way too immature). hence, I took an oath not to visit the backroom here, or the political mudpit at the TWcenter again. perhaps some other arrangement? *inserts 18th century officer smiley giving a bow*

*ok, so I keep a headcount

**LittleGrizzly** · 03-18-2009, 19:00

The backroom has a decent level of maturity... i would say this topic represents the lower levels of maturity... i wouldn't say we have all that many people to prove wrong... well on islam at least theres not too many topics...

If your a fiscal conservative you may have quite a few disagreements though...