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    is not a senior Member Meneldil's Avatar
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    Default Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    Playing as France, I saw myself quickly struggling trying to maintain public order in my provinces.

    To be honest, I went a bit heavy on schools, having 6 of them at some point. And I indeed researched too many social 'technologies'.
    In 1714, things got quite bad, with not only my american and european provinces rioting, but with France going crazy aswell. I had to face a revolution and decided to side with the Monarch (as I kind of wanted to trigger my own revolution later on). I won the battle and recovered my empire with an hopefully decent public order.

    Thing is, ten turns later, the effects of my proto industrial-revolution are kicking in, and my public order is once again terrible. And that is, with almost all my provinces exempted from tax. So here I am, waiting for the next revolution, which will likely come pretty soon.
    I can't see how I could handle things more properly. The public order malus for the low class is so bad that I can't build any workhouse/school without having people getting crazy and throwing stones at my beautiful modern buildings
    Should I accept the Republic or am I doomed to face wanabee riots every few turns till my Empire is somehow built?

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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    Well, having lots of schools will increase clamor for reform, as you've mentioned, so you might knock some of them down in your more troubled regions and build church schools instead. You could do the same for factories if your biggest problem is unrest from industrialization, although building up your agriculture will help cut down on industrialization unrest if you haven't done that already. Also, it probably goes without saying, but don't research any philosophy techs for a while.

    Playing as Austria, I've built up my schools and tech researching and I'm starting to see the clamor for reform as well. I seem to remember the advisor lady saying something about success in war increasing patriotic fervor and thus public happiness, so I'm thinking about picking a fight with someone soon. Something to think about if you've been at peace for a while, as I have.
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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    Six schools in one province?

    If that's what you meant, spread things out. I try to avoid having more than one school per province. Then you can keep things nicely under control.
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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    I am playing the Brits and have changed the government very early on. Britain is a republic now and I have build four universities in England. In England I have build only two pleasure palaces to keep public order. I have one university in India and that's it. Now public problems order whatsoever except early in the campaign when I captured Indian regions was the different religion casing some problems. If you do want the revolution to succeed get all your forces outside France and let the red forces loose.
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    Let the republic succeed to form a republic, then go for another revolt to get a constitutional monarchy. That's the best gov't, IMHO.

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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    I'm playing with the Ottomans on VH and I had my first revolution in 1760 (and I wanted it to happen!)
    -Just build one school/college/university in a region
    -prefer regions with a lot of towns for building schools, so that entertainment and religious building can compensate the bad effects of the school
    -do not build to much (advanced) industry in one region
    -adjust taxation if nesseary
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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    I've completed 5 campaigns so far, never had a single revolution.
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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    Well with 6 schools and absolute monarchy get use to see revolution in France. The solution is either get rid of the king or get rid of the schools, your choice.

    I would recommend to change to republic because of the nice bonus to tech it give and the lower class will be easy manageable(no uprising) if your government maintain 40% popularity (if it drop below that just hold an election) The nobles can get tipsy occasionally but they are easily bullied by 500 republicans guards and a couple of cannons.

    In my last French game Louis XIV didn't die of old age but of neck trauma. By 1750 i had ~8 schools and had only one pathetic royalist uprising (half stack) that was promptly cut to shred by my republicans guard. When you're advance enough in Tech you can start to replace the schools with economics buildings
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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    There's absolutely no reason to have more than one school in any one province, and no more than 4 schools total. You will finish the tech tree way way before your game is over.

    It is unbelieably easy to avoid revolutions by just having 1-2 units in a region capital, even without pleasure palaces or churches, with a popularity of about 70%.

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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belid Hagen View Post
    There's absolutely no reason to have more than one school in any one province, and no more than 4 schools total. You will finish the tech tree way way before your game is over.

    It is unbelieably easy to avoid revolutions by just having 1-2 units in a region capital, even without pleasure palaces or churches, with a popularity of about 70%.

    ok so that is good information. Thanks

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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belid Hagen View Post
    There's absolutely no reason to have more than one school in any one province, and no more than 4 schools total. You will finish the tech tree way way before your game is over.

    It is unbelieably easy to avoid revolutions by just having 1-2 units in a region capital, even without pleasure palaces or churches, with a popularity of about 70%.
    That is correct. Build a school and a pleasure palace in four regions and you should have no problem. Or let a revolution happen and build one pleasure palace and four schools in one region.
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    Default Re : Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    I had two schools in France, and a total of 6 schools in my empire (2 in NA, 1 in Germany, 1 in the UP).

    The thing is, France has so many cities that at some point, industrialization becomes an issue. I have finally accepted the Republic, and well, everything is going pretty well. My income doubled since I've been able to upgrade my workhouse and set low taxes.

    I might try to go for a Constitutional Monarchy later on.
    Last edited by Meneldil; 03-16-2009 at 19:59.

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    Default Re: Re : Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    Have hundreds of Dragoons roaming about curb-stomping the populace when they get uppity. Easy peasy. My Prussians have 6 schools all over and only a single riot so far.

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    Default Re: Absolute monarchy: how to not have a revolution every 10 years?

    The voice of the Camel Lord:

    Any further trolling, baiting, flaming, or use of naughty words will result in this thread being closed with extreme prejudice. Let's behave, folks.



    With that out of the way, I do have a question: Not having had a chance to play much of the game yet (I'm still slogging my way through the RTI campaign), I was curious as to how a constitutional monarchy compares to the other government types. Is it closer to one government type or the other, or is it truly more in between? And either way, what are the main bonuses & penalties for it?
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