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    Looking forward to it.

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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    If you want historical roleplay you need elephants. ROmans used them quite a few times untill the empire. For example against the makedones.
    And they mighty!! Esspecially with a faction like the Romans. Strong infantry plus elephants scares the shit out of heavy cavallery factions.

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    Default 70 years later ...

    I HAVE ELEPHANTS. Well, I'm about to recruit them. Taxes have been raised throughout the land to pay for them.

    The Carthaginians made a last-ditch effort to recapture their cities to deny me - THE SHINING LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS - the elephants I have obsessed about for 75 years.

    On my deathbed, I bequeath my elephant troops to my son and successor - THE THUNDER AND LIGHTNING THAT IS OBARBAS!

    More soon, when I finally employ my pachyderms to battle!


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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    another elephant addict,
    I have added armored elephants for pahlava in edu.But I only use them to breach the gates at the moment, because they do not like pointy sarissas



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    There better be screenshots coming.

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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    I'm looking forward to using African elephants in my current Romani game, just as soon as I've pushed back the annoying Seleucids from what is now northern Iraq.

    Forgive me for asking what may be an obvious question, but I know that the Bactrians have access to some elephants in their homeland regions. Can Romani get any Indian elephants? I'm quite a way from India at the moment, but would like to recruit some with level 5 MIC's if possible when I get there.

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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    Plus don't forget, elephants can knock down wooden walls. This enables you to attack the same turn you siege (w/cities that don't have stone walls).

    In India with Romani you can't get the armored Indian elephants but you can get regular elephants in some areas.

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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    Thanks for the info. Looks like I will be training my elephants in the Gibraltar area and shipping them a VERY long way :)

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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    Why don't any mercenary elephant lurking in EB lands?

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    Talking Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    I PROUDLY ANNOUNCE SCREENSHOTS AND A VIDEO OF MY PACHYDERMS AT THE VANGUARD OF THE CONQUEST OF VIENNOS FROM THE GAULS!!!

    Yes, my gallant comrades. 24 bull elephants transported by sea from North Africa to Sicily, where they participated in crushing rebels and earned their battle stripes. Then by boat to Rome, where they paraded before astonished and jubilant masses. Then again by sea north, a hard climb over the Alps. Finally they joined our legions in Gaul, to the amazement of our troops.

    VIENNOS. Re-captured from us by the Gauls nearly 30 years ago, impregnable because of the quality of the defending troops and the river crossings. Many a patrician has died there.

    BUT NOW - LIBERATED AND RESTORED TO THE ROMAN DOMAIN under the fearless, gifted, Mars-loved and Jupiter-adoring THUNDER AND LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS.

    THE VICTORY - consecrated by sacrifices to the man who first conceived of the dream of releasing elephants against the Gauls - THE SHINING LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS, my father.

    Screenshots: http://www.galexander.com.au/The%20F...%20Viennos.htm

    Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK7MUHTnolw

    P.S, I have more videos, will try to merge them all and upload to YouTube shortly
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    Quote Originally Posted by OBarbas View Post
    I PROUDLY ANNOUNCE SCREENSHOTS AND A VIDEO OF MY PACHYDERMS AT THE VANGUARD OF THE CONQUEST OF VIENNOS FROM THE GAULS!!!

    Yes, my gallant comrades. 24 bull elephants transported by sea from North Africa to Sicily, where they participated in crushing rebels and earned their battle stripes. Then by boat to Rome, where they paraded before astonished and jubilant masses. Then again by sea north, a hard climb over the Alps. Finally they joined our legions in Gaul, to the amazement of our troops.

    VIENNOS. Re-captured from us by the Gauls nearly 30 years ago, impregnable because of the quality of the defending troops and the river crossings. Many a patrician has died there.

    BUT NOW - LIBERATED AND RESTORED TO THE ROMAN DOMAIN under the fearless, gifted, Mars-loved and Jupiter-adoring THUNDER AND LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS.

    THE VICTORY - consecrated by sacrifices to the man who first conceived of the dream of releasing elephants against the Gauls - THE SHINING LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS, my father.

    Screenshots: http://www.galexander.com.au/The%20F...%20Viennos.htm

    Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK7MUHTnolw

    P.S, I have more videos, will try to merge them all and upload to YouTube shortly
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    Talking Testimonial of Megaphallus

    I, MEGAPHALLUS, aide de camp to THE THUNDER AND LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS, testify to the following -

    That on the night following the victory at Viennos, an epistle was received from A COMPLETELY INOFFENSIVE NAME (and thus said OBarbas himself, having examined the seal impressed on the red wax which secured the confidentiality of the communication.

    OBARBAS read it. And I, MEGAPHALLUS, can testify that for the first time I saw this great man break down in tears. He - THE THUNDER AND LIGHTNING himself - turned to me with eyes glistening and said -

    My father, THE SHINING LIGHT THAT WAS OBARBAS, pushed me very hard in my youth. INOFFENSIVE's tribute makes it all worthwhile.

    SO SAYETH MEGAPHALLUS.

    THE COMPLETE, UNABRIDGED VIDEO OF THE CONQUEST OF VIENNOS IS NOW AVAILABLE AT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQ0CmHMbOA

    CAUTION - NOT TO BE VIEWED BY MINORS. EXTREMELY DISTURBING.
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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    actually, I think the best way for Romaioi to acquire elephants is bribe them from Karthadast army...

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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    Quote Originally Posted by heldelance View Post
    As was previously said, Elephants are largely useless. If you're fighting them, just use skirmisher infantry and cavalry. If you're thinking of using them, forget it. For their upkeep, you might as well just get some decent cavalry.
    Elephants are actually pretty useful if they are deployed right. As unexpected flankers or against Phalangites they are unmatched. I've had my elephant unit (as Epiros) be responsible for hundreds of kills in various battles. They do tend to die badly during city assaults, but even then nearly every every beast is resurrected at the end of the battle (12 elephants killed, all twelve and their crews are magically healed afterward).
    As a side note, a level five MIC in India will get you the much sought after Indian elephants, although Greek factions can get them in Antioch and Alexandria, and Epiros (uniquely) gets them in Greece...
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    Default Re: So it shall be written, So it shall be done!

    hell yes, if you want elephantes then go get then and use then, whats the fun of dont use then , and only spawn legionaries comon the easy way its not always more fun, nor more historical..... i mean when i play i do so for my on rules, for instance i limit myself the number of phalanxes per army the number of cav, wich i think is more historical etc and if you use your elephantes right they will not die, only use then in the last monents of a battle, when the skirmishers are depleted, and also they are cavalry killers, no cav stand up to a elephante charge. its sounds great pick elephants and africa and bring then on your gaul and britania conquest, see some chariots crushed by elephantes... beutyfull

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    Default HUMILIATING CATASTROPHE - OBARBAS' EMPIRE COLLAPSES

    BREAKING NEWS - THE THUNDER AND LIGHTNING THAT IS OBARBAS flees enraged, pitchfork-bearing peasants intent upon punishing him for the collapse of the Roman Empire

    OBarbas is rumoured to be in northern Italy racing towards the Alps.

    BANKRUPTCY Perversely obsessed with elephants, OBarbas squandered tens of thousands of gold coins recruiting pachyderm troops in Carthage. At the same time, he was compelled to engage in endless defensive warfare against strong Carthaginian forces intent on expelling him from Carthage. Meanwhile in Gaul, he recruited too many mercenary generals without noting their expensive upkeep or realizing that they can not be disbanded.

    The upkeep of elephants and generals combined with the cost of recruiting and sustaining elephants and armies in Carthage and Gaul eventually sent the Empire's finances spiraling out of control. Debt rose from 1,000 to 42,000 gold coins in 4 turns with no end in sight. Efforts to plunder cities to balance the budget came to naught because OBarbas ran out of money to recruit new troops or reinforce existing injured troops. Riots began breaking out in cities and towns throughout the Empire.

    TOTAL COLLAPSE The long retreat began. Carthage was abandoned and OBarbas' decimated legions returned to Sicily. The Lusotani kicked OBarbas out of Gaul. Worst of all, the Arveni, faithful allies of the Romans for over one hundred years, now seeing the Empire collapsing, betrayed and attacked us.

    130 years after his father THE SHINING LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS first set out to conquer the world, his son THE THUNDER AND LIGHTNING THAT IS OBARBAS found himself confined to the territory first held by his father – and 72,000 in debt. At this point OBarbas dissolved his elephant units in a pique of rage, quit the campaign and deleted all incriminating saves on the hard drive.

    AAAARRRRGGGGHHH

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBarbas View Post
    It shall come to be, O VASILIYI MAGNUS! My scribes shall record in words the ebb and flow of every moment, and I shall command my artists vividly to portray the might of the pachyderms landing squarely on the crushed bodies of infernal Gauls!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OBarbas View Post
    BREAKING NEWS - THE THUNDER AND LIGHTNING THAT IS OBARBAS flees enraged, pitchfork-bearing peasants intent upon punishing him for the collapse of the Roman Empire

    OBarbas is rumoured to be in northern Italy racing towards the Alps.

    BANKRUPTCY Perversely obsessed with elephants, OBarbas squandered tens of thousands of gold coins recruiting pachyderm troops in Carthage. At the same time, he was compelled to engage in endless defensive warfare against strong Carthaginian forces intent on expelling him from Carthage. Meanwhile in Gaul, he recruited too many mercenary generals without noting their expensive upkeep or realizing that they can not be disbanded.

    The upkeep of elephants and generals combined with the cost of recruiting and sustaining elephants and armies in Carthage and Gaul eventually sent the Empire's finances spiraling out of control. Debt rose from 1,000 to 42,000 gold coins in 4 turns with no end in sight. Efforts to plunder cities to balance the budget came to naught because OBarbas ran out of money to recruit new troops or reinforce existing injured troops. Riots began breaking out in cities and towns throughout the Empire.

    TOTAL COLLAPSE The long retreat began. Carthage was abandoned and OBarbas' decimated legions returned to Sicily. The Lusotani kicked OBarbas out of Gaul. Worst of all, the Arveni, faithful allies of the Romans for over one hundred years, now seeing the Empire collapsing, betrayed and attacked us.

    130 years after his father THE SHINING LIGHT THAT IS OBARBAS first set out to conquer the world, his son THE THUNDER AND LIGHTNING THAT IS OBARBAS found himself confined to the territory first held by his father – and 72,000 in debt. At this point OBarbas dissolved his elephant units in a pique of rage, quit the campaign and deleted all incriminating saves on the hard drive.

    AAAARRRRGGGGHHH
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    Quote Originally Posted by heldelance View Post
    I was just saying that elephants are pretty useless if you're Rome, Gaesatae and the Tindanotae are much better options. One thing the Gallic enemies seemed to have in abundance are skirmisher class infantry and spear throwing linesmen. To an African Elephant, being unarmored, those javelins are death.
    You can get Gaesatae as the Romans?

    Edit:Oh and for the thread starter whatever guy
    Here's a thread that shows some of the units Romans can get
    Don't click on it if you want to be suprised
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93896
    I dunno I can never find out how to use the Recruitment Viewer so I use this thread instead
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    Post Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irishmafia2020 View Post
    (12 elephants killed, all twelve and their crews are magically healed afterward)
    Usually (actually almost always), such dramatic healing happens only to the unit which were the first to sustain casualties, which is quite frustrating, since for me, those first casualties are a few dirt-cheap slingers, while the rest of the losses are good, expensive, and limited-recruitment elites.
    Quote Originally Posted by OBarbas View Post
    TOTAL COLLAPSE The long retreat began. Carthage was abandoned and OBarbas' decimated legions returned to Sicily. The Lusotani kicked OBarbas out of Gaul. Worst of all, the Arveni, faithful allies of the Romans for over one hundred years, now seeing the Empire collapsing, betrayed and attacked us.
    Wow, I had always wished that would happen to me, but especially once I am out of the early game, the campaign is ridiculously, outrageously easy. Just a constant advance of my armies, trouncing the AI. I never get much of a challenge from the computer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    You can get Gaesatae as the Romans?
    No, you cannot. Only the Galatian "Wild Men" mercenaries. Speaking of them, why did the Gaesatae not make it to the merc list? To make the game more difficult for us, not having all the elites to spam the AI with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    No, you cannot. Only the Galatian "Wild Men" mercenaries. Speaking of them, why did the Gaesatae not make it to the merc list? To make the game more difficult for us, not having all the elites to spam the AI with?
    Huh, where can you get them at? I've had armies all over Gaul and have never found them as an option.

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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    Huh, where can you get them at? I've had armies all over Gaul and have never found them as an option.
    You may want to look in Greece instead of Gaul...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OBarbas View Post
    It shall come to be, O VASILIYI MAGNUS! My scribes shall record in words the ebb and flow of every moment, and I shall command my artists vividly to portray the might of the pachyderms landing squarely on the crushed bodies of infernal Gauls!
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    Default Re: What is the best way for Romans to acquire elephants?

    I just noticed from looking at the screenshots that the elephants have gold-upgraded weapons... How'd that happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    Wow, I had always wished that would happen to me, but especially once I am out of the early game, the campaign is ridiculously, outrageously easy. Just a constant advance of my armies, trouncing the AI. I never get much of a challenge from the computer.
    Just do like him and build lots of horrendously expensive units- filling out all slots in your major cities in one turn, then you can have your collapse. It might be fun to try actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    Usually (actually almost always), such dramatic healing happens only to the unit which were the first to sustain casualties, which is quite frustrating, since for me, those first casualties are a few dirt-cheap slingers, while the rest of the losses are good, expensive, and limited-recruitment elites.
    Multiple-hitpoints units also heal dramatically well. Check out the Ludus Magna tread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus View Post
    No, you cannot. Only the Galatian "Wild Men" mercenaries. Speaking of them, why did the Gaesatae not make it to the merc list? To make the game more difficult for us, not having all the elites to spam the AI with?
    Originally the Gaesatae were mercs as well as factional units, but the team's Celtic FC's argued that the Gaesatae were fairly picky about their employers. So making them hireable for every faction was considered unrealistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    Multiple-hitpoints units also heal dramatically well. Check out the Ludus Magna tread.
    Yeah, I read that thread, and it is true what they say, but my starting Epriote unit of Elephants never healed well, and most of the time did not heal at all.

    My Galatian "Wild Men" heal in a somewhat mediocre manner, but nothing significant, despite their multiple hitpoints. I guess I am simply unlucky

    Quote Originally Posted by Macilrille View Post
    Just do like him and build lots of horrendously expensive units- filling out all slots in your major cities in one turn, then you can have your collapse. It might be fun to try actually.
    It is not the same . That is a handicap, just like playing VH Battle Difficulty. I want the campaign AI to be ridiculously strong, but even playing on VH campaign difficulty seems to make little difference, save for the AI merc hiring. I want the AI to send endless stacks at me, and even though at any given moment I am at war with about 4-7 factions, I still do not get the pressure.

    To make the game more difficult, I am beginning to roleplay, and hire historical armies, but even with that, it is still easy to win. Although I loathe M2TW engine, I am overjoyed at the prospect of the limited recruitment for all units.
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