"What if..." Thread

[Atraphoenix]

What if someone managed to adapt EB to empire total war?

Plus, What if CA finally releases a total war game on a real time strategy map like "Knights of Honour" or EU?

P.S. I think I will die after thirst and hunger because of hours even days of playing on PC or I will be a mutant after taking so much radiation from the monitor

[V.T. Marvin]

Actually, I think that turn-based stratmap and real-time battles is a perfect combination. In realtime stratmap it would be clickfest just like in AoE and you woud miss all those beauties like watching your FMs developing new traits and acquiring the offices (), also balancing the progress speed so that you still manage to manage huge empires like AS whie not bore yourself to death with the tiny ones (like Casse at the beginning of the game) would be very delicate if not impossible. I am all to turn-based stratmaps! What I would love, however, if the engine would allow CAMPAIGN multiplayer (I know that there is a work-around, but I do not trust it much (my fault)).

Otherwise, as stated earlier - logistics is seriously missing in the engine and it should be designed to be easily moddable to allow for a broad faction-specfic customization/optimalization.
Attrition of campaignig armies, based on available supply, payment and general´s influence, plus some random factors like disease, local guerrilla, etc., would be nice.
Ability to set one or more provinces on its/their independent budget (including bulding costs, upkeep, etc.) to alow for easier role-playing of various (con)federations will also be great!

But certainly the biggest bulk of the effort should be put into vast improvement of AI - both campaign and battle one!!!

[Atraphoenix]

that is why we call it it "what if" if we can see that it was possible...
but I would like to see a monthly turn system and bigger maps or I play too much I need some fresh air

[Aemilius Paulus]

Actually, I think that turn-based stratmap and real-time battles is a perfect combination. In realtime stratmap it would be clickfest just like in AoE and you woud miss all those beauties like watching your FMs developing new traits and acquiring the offices (), also balancing the progress speed so that you still manage to manage huge empires like AS whie not bore yourself to death with the tiny ones (like Casse at the beginning of the game) would be very delicate if not impossible. I am all to turn-based stratmaps! What I would love, however, if the engine would allow CAMPAIGN multiplayer (I know that there is a work-around, but I do not trust it much (my fault)).

Otherwise, as stated earlier - logistics is seriously missing in the engine and it should be designed to be easily moddable to allow for a broad faction-specfic customization/optimalization.
Attrition of campaignig armies, based on available supply, payment and general´s influence, plus some random factors like disease, local guerrilla, etc., would be nice.
Ability to set one or more provinces on its/their independent budget (including bulding costs, upkeep, etc.) to alow for easier role-playing of various (con)federations will also be great!

But certainly the biggest bulk of the effort should be put into vast improvement of AI - both campaign and battle one!!!

Sounds like you could use some Rise of Nations! The game has much of what you say is missing, and it also has the strat map, although you do not really manage anything on it, just decide your moves mostly. Mostly.

[A Very Super Market]

RoN isn't really the best at the strat map, which is basic at best. But I don't understand why no sequel was made, since the game does an excellent job in the battles, however RTS-like they may be.

[Aemilius Paulus]

RoN isn't really the best at the strat map, which is basic at best. But I don't understand why no sequel was made, since the game does an excellent job in the battles, however RTS-like they may be.

Yeah, I did admit that in my previous post. RoN strat map is basically the same as Cossacks, except marginally more complex. Those rare resources, territory strengths, and bonus cards are pretty nice whoever. And the Cold War campaign is the ultimate experience with its nuclear warfare possibilities.

As for sequel, it is not necessary. A sequel on exact same topic is usually a failure. Just look at the history of computer gaming. Look at Empire Earth. They were basically like RoN. They made sequels that were basically the same. They came out with EEII (sort of rotten) and EEIII (no comment). The only good thing that came out of the series was EEI and Empires: Dawn of the Modern World.

Also, have you not heard of Rise of Legends?

[A Very Super Market]

EEII was made by a different company.

The expansion to EEI was made by another company.

If you did something right the first time, it is hard to screw up on adding to it. CA demonstrates this, although I know you hate ETW, plenty of people think it is a great step forward. Aside from bugs, but that isn't related to gameplay.

Empire Earth wasn't similar to RoN.... It lacked most of RoNs ability to emulate the real world, as well as encouraging "classic" RTS behaviour. With RoN, mods made it impeccable, EE barely changed, since it was made to simply be an RTS.

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

I just wish I had a load of money to throw at the EB team and some extra programmers to make this game. Hell, if you market it properly you can make it work in a financial sense. It might not be with all the sexy graphics, but it would rock!

[Aemilius Paulus]

EEII was made by a different company.

The expansion to EEI was made by another company.

Basically the same team however.

If you did something right the first time, it is hard to screw up on adding to it.

Someone please enlighten this poor deluded fella'. Most games go on a downward curve on ratings and even revenues. Most games start out with an original hit and then get worse every time. Ask veteran TW players. They agree. I hate ETW even more then MiNO

Empire Earth wasn't similar to RoN.... It lacked most of RoNs ability to emulate the real world, as well as encouraging "classic" RTS behaviour.

Look, you know better than criticising comparisons. Most players agree that EE, AoE, and RoN all go along the same lines. They are all very similar in their mechanics and the fact they have historical settings. RoN and EE are very similar in their time period, or specifically the fact that they encompass all (EE) or most (RoN) of the human history.