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    I haven't made all that much progress at learning the game (like everyone else, too busy playing entomologist ). But I have learned a few things:
    • The early game, for naval powers, is a race to the trade spots. You have to spend the first few years spamming trade fleets and sending them right to the 4 zones. You can't get them all, every zone has at least one of Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, or Indian traders already there, but you can get quite a few. Trade earns more $$$ than local industry, and money makes the world go 'round.
    • You can add several trade fleets (in the same stack) on a trade spot, and earn more from each. It's a diminishing return, however, so 3-4 per spot seems to be it.
    • Keep a battle-worthy fleet near each zone, though. When wars break out, your opponent loves to park on the trade link leading from the adjacent zone and choke off your income. (Of course, you can do the same to them! )
    • Check your ministers. At least one starts with, or acquires, negative modifiers. Boot 'em!
    • At the start, make as many alliances and trade agreements as you can. Update as needed. When an ally goes to war, at least you get the choice about whether to get involved. Plus, you learn about who's fighting whom.
    • Winning the tech race: whether through growth or conquest, try to develop more Schools in towns (even if you have to demolish a few Pleasure Palaces to do it ). You can have more than one active line of research in the Tech Tree. Obviously, a University with 3-4 Gentlemen (adding more than that doesn't seem to help much, diminishing returns again) stacked in it can research the advanced techs more quickly than a little School, but the issue is opportunity cost: finishing 4 techs sooner, in parallel, gets you much further ahead than finishing them serially.
    • Pay attention to the interplay of key buildings and the Tech Tree. Remember to build the next level of metal working or weaver to unlock the next level of industrial research in time.
    • Spies ("Rakes") do gain experience and skill with successful missions, but it's much slower than previously.
    • Detached Sloops are very handy. They go faster/further than the other types, so they make great advance scouts and troop taxis. In the latter role, though, don't leave them unprotected. Have a "heavy" battle fleet, commanded by an Admiral, nearby.
    • "Nearby" means either stacked with, or within that fleet's Red ZOC, so it can participate in any battle the opposition provokes.
    • It's faster to sail your fleet into an unoccupied enemy port and unload troops there: they can move the same turn (unlike the beach landing, where they're done for the turn). It ain't 1940 Blitzkrieg, but it gets the siege started that much sooner.
    • Conversely, remember to garrison your own ports when there are enemy fleets around. Prevents them pulling the same tactic on you.
    • Military campaigns take patience, and pacing (which is appropriate for this time period, and much more "realistic" than previous versions). Immediately after capturing a region, there's unrest (Letter of Demand, Worker Strike). Left unchecked, these develop into full-blown Rebellions, especially in regions with 100% dissimilar Religion. So, you have to stay put for at least one turn (or go back and fight the rebels) before advancing onto the next one. You have to repair things, anyway, and it's also a good time to use the little '+' widget to replenish your units (expensive, but quicker than shipping in whole new units from home).
    • I haven't had the luxury of being able to attack a bunch of regions simultaneously, to end a war quickly. Typically, there's at least one active war in each Theater, and just enough fleets and armies for each. Theaters are too far apart for even fleets to offer mutual support. So, each war turns into sequential region conquests. Also, start sending reinforcements early, because they'll take a few turns to arrive, to sustain the drive.
    • Go over each Town, Port, and improvement in a newly-conquered region. Sometimes, you'll want to tear down and replace it with something that better fits your overall strategy (such as converting a Shipyard to a Trading port, if you've already got a good Shipyard near enough in that Theater).

    One last note: I've learned that this site is a better one than twcenter.net. The latter is strictly for n00bs and fanboys -- the moderators take their jobs as Thought Police gestapo waay too seriously, deleting and moving posts with great enthusiasm. Any substantive criticism is deleted. Any references to them deleting posts is deleted. Only posts adhering strictly to the Party line survive. Cleverly, however, they also leave posts complaining about unimportant details, like wrong color uniforms or overlooking some obscure person from history. It leaves the impression (to the uninformed, like fanzine editors or E3 award voters) that the game is great and only clueless whiners have any problems with it. If you want the truth, read here.
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    nice post.

    twcenter does my head in - but it's miles better than the yuku forum. this place is much more civilised than either.
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    the yuku forum is a bunch of people who post things like "CA suxz" and "bernie madoff is the CEO of CA!" and other rants.
    that was pretty much it for the first week or so.
    and if you disagree with them you are labelled "dumb" and a "fanboi"

    i was labelled as a "con mans wet dream"

    but dont get me wrong. most of the older people there are good folks. just the new guys who just come to rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooahguy View Post
    the yuku forum is a bunch of people who post things like "CA suxz" and "bernie madoff is the CEO of CA!" and other rants.
    that was pretty much it for the first week or so.
    and if you disagree with them you are labelled "dumb" and a "fanboi"

    i was labelled as a "con mans wet dream"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subotan View Post
    If you make a country a protectorate, and that country already has a protectorate, the original protectorate becomes your protectorate; two for the price of one.
    I haven't seen that work. Quite the opposite: after destroying the Poland-Lithuania faction, Saxony still listed it (on the Diplomacy screen) as its protector. Seems like a bug.
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    Exclamation Re: Some things I've learned

    Tuning the graphics card's parameters can improve performance.
    For folks with nVidia cards, this post is helpful:
    http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/48873#reply-666351
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    Great post! I am just getting cranked up and it is a lot of help. Thanx for the tips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeV View Post
    One last note: I've learned that this site is a better one than twcenter.net. The latter is strictly for n00bs and fanboys -- the moderators take their jobs as Thought Police gestapo waay too seriously, deleting and moving posts with great enthusiasm. Any substantive criticism is deleted. Any references to them deleting posts is deleted. Only posts adhering strictly to the Party line survive. Cleverly, however, they also leave posts complaining about unimportant details, like wrong color uniforms or overlooking some obscure person from history. It leaves the impression (to the uninformed, like fanzine editors or E3 award voters) that the game is great and only clueless whiners have any problems with it. If you want the truth, read here.
    The .org has the same rules at the TWcenter.
    Only problem is that people banned from the offical forums generally move over to TWcenter.
    The moderators got their work cut out for them, having to deal with a huge influx of new members, most of which don't add anything but making the same threads over and over again complaining about bugs or what not when there is already a thread that deals with bugs or rants.
    So new threads usually get merged with the proper ones if they add to the thread, if not then they get closed and deleted.

    Criticism is allowed of course and the posts will not get deleted unless it's off-topic or is CA-bashing.
    If your post got deleted then it's no doubt because it fitted into those rules.
    If anything TWC makes the game look bad judging from the posts in the forums.
    Again the .org isn't much different the TWC when it comes to rules. However the .org is lucky that it doesn't get the people banned from the offical so things are more quiet here.

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    Why TB666, That just makes we want to troll it. :-D

    For what its worth, I'm glad we have a quiet corner of the internet.
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    Good gameplay tips

    I think that the .org has more mature members then twc. The topics and posts are well thought out and there are much better discussions, good for reading and posting your own comments. I have about the same number of posts at both sites but I like the .org better. I wish the .org did have more mod content though.

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    About guarding your ports: no one has seen the AI make an amphibious attack yet, but it is useful to not have to repair the thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quadalpha View Post
    About guarding your ports: no one has seen the AI make an amphibious attack yet, but it is useful to not have to repair the thing.
    I have seen fleets sent to attack ports quite often, so it's almost there. One of the things holding it back may be the various bugs we've all seen in the land unit unloading ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadalpha View Post
    About guarding your ports: no one has seen the AI make an amphibious attack yet, but it is useful to not have to repair the thing.
    i have never had the A.I. make a naval-land invasion landing, but i have had the enemy going into my ports with an army. they seem to just sit there, for no real reason. too bad they dont take it 1 step further...



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    I always visit the .org for info and the TWC for mods.

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    I suggest repairing newly conquered regions ASAP, preferably during the turn you conquered it. The AI, like me, always has an observatory up on regions that can build it. That's 4% research and +2 to happiness. Repairing the main building always adds 1-4 repression which is helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB666 View Post
    Criticism is allowed of course and the posts will not get deleted unless it's off-topic or is CA-bashing.
    If your post got deleted then it's no doubt because it fitted into those rules.
    Not true, or I wouldn't have made the comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeV View Post
    Not true, or I wouldn't have made the comment.
    *looks at TWC* Check again.
    Unless you count CA bashing as among your "substantive criticism" then you wont find that freedom here either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeV View Post
    • ...
    • Military campaigns take patience, and pacing (which is appropriate for this time period, and much more "realistic" than previous versions). Immediately after capturing a region, there's unrest (Letter of Demand, Worker Strike). Left unchecked, these develop into full-blown Rebellions, especially in regions with 100% dissimilar Religion. So, you have to stay put for at least one turn (or go back and fight the rebels) before advancing onto the next one. You have to repair things, anyway, and it's also a good time to use the little '+' widget to replenish your units (expensive, but quicker than shipping in whole new units from home).
      ...
    One other idea, to help sustain the advance: follow the main assault force with units only intended to garrison the newly-conquered region capitals. That way, you don't waste turns waiting for the unrest to subside (giving the opposing force time to recruit in their remaining regions).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeV View Post
    I haven't made all that much progress at learning the game (like everyone else, too busy playing entomologist ). But I have learned a few things:
    [LIST][*]Detached Sloops are very handy. They go faster/further than the other types, so they make great advance scouts and troop taxis. In the latter role, though, don't leave them unprotected. Have a "heavy" battle fleet, commanded by an Admiral, nearby.[*]"Nearby" means either stacked with, or within that fleet's Red ZOC, so it can participate in any battle the opposition provokes.
    Thats not true: sloops move just as far as any other ship and if you enter battle with a single sloop full of troops, even if protected by a fleet you still gotta wait till that fleet catches up its better putting your army on the escort in the first place

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