For all love, go away and stay away!

[Elmar Bijlsma]

It's not a particularly big issue, but it wouldn't go amiss if the AI is prevented from spamming diplomatic overtures. Especially because the offers are never tempting.

"No Monsieur, I will not sell you Flanders for 800 Florins."
"No Monsieur, I won't do it for a plug bayonet technology either."
"Monsieur, I don't think 801 Florins will cut it either."
Gah!

And it's always the same faction too. Anyone playing as the United Provinces will recognize the unrelenting nature of France's persistence. My first UP campaign I tried to roleplay a bit. You know, curbing my expansionist tendencies with an eye to war being bad?
Twenty turns of that and I was marching on Paris just to shut them up. Aaaargh!

[quadalpha]

It seems the AI factions have hardcoded provinces that they really really like.

[Discoman]

The Prussians want Poland and the Spaniards want either Venice or Savoy. I guess they need certain provinces to win, just like us. It gets very annoying after a while but its better than them breaking alliances to get it. I mean I'm the strongest nation in the game and everyone else knows it. I prefer that then having them attempt to attack me and lose, unless they made a coalition against me, that would be very interesting.

[pevergreen]

I've played well over 300 turns of campaigns, and I've never received a request for a region from any faction.

All on VH/H or VH/VH.

[crazyviking03]

yeah, on my Spanish campaign, the UP offer me 540 every turn for Flanders. Once they offered me Cyalon (sp?) as a trade, then it was back to the 540 every turn lol.

[Callahan9119]

I've played well over 300 turns of campaigns, and I've never received a request for a region from any faction.

All on VH/H or VH/VH.

I cannot believe that.

[katank]

Yep, there needs to be some inherent valuation system. As for the minimum trade business, that'll probably be too much micro for the player.

Just have a sensible valuation and force the AI to increase the value of their offer by at least 30% if they want to try again within say 10 turns.

[Liberator]

The Prussians want Poland and the Spaniards want either Venice or Savoy. I guess they need certain provinces to win, just like us. It gets very annoying after a while but its better than them breaking alliances to get it. I mean I'm the strongest nation in the game and everyone else knows it. I prefer that then having them attempt to attack me and lose, unless they made a coalition against me, that would be very interesting.

Sure, they might need these provinces to win - BUT if so why didn't they go there first?!
In my Ottoman campaign I conquered Morocco - every following turn the Spainiards wanted to trade Morocco for Lombardy and Sardinia. ( Nowadays they want Mexico instead of Marocco )
The Spainiards have captured Portugal early in my Campaign and have up to 8 (!) full armies hanging around on the iberian peninsula - If they need Morocco, they had 50 years to grap it...

[Dayve]

Sure, they might need these provinces to win - BUT if so why didn't they go there first?!
In my Ottoman campaign I conquered Morocco - every following turn the Spainiards wanted to trade Morocco for Lombardy and Sardinia. ( Nowadays they want Mexico instead of Marocco )
The Spainiards have captured Portugal early in my Campaign and have up to 8 (!) full armies hanging around on the iberian peninsula - If they need Morocco, they had 50 years to grap it...

So diplomacy hasn't really been improved at all... they've just switched AI priority on taking provinces from sending endless stacks of crap to sending endless diplomatic offers, never ending and relentless.

[A Very Super Market]

Naw, I think the AI was programmed to be a little too passive, and the lack of naval invasions certainly exaberates this problem.

[Gaiseric]

"No Monsieur, I will not sell you Flanders for 800 Florins."
"No Monsieur, I won't do it for a plug bayonet technology either."
"Monsieur, I don't think 801 Florins will cut it either."
Gah!

Lol, it does get very annoying. Discoman brings up a good point though. Its better to have nations spam requests than to suicidaly declare war to get the target regions. You can see that the diplomacy in TW is evolving. You dont need to march diplomats all over the map, AI nations seem to be less stuborn, you can trade tech and territories, and you can make counter-offers and demands in proposals. Maybe a future patch or mod could even improve diplomacy a little.

[Dayve]

They're less stubbon, but they're still quick to go to war, and they still march all over my land with a single unit of militia.

In 5 turns of the Austrian campaign i played today, Poland-Lithuania declared war on me 5 times, and accepted a peace treaty 5 times.

Saxony declared war the first time with their ally Poland and refused, absolutely refused to make peace, even when i took a province from Poland and offered it to them they outright refused, saying i had insulted them, despite the fact that THEY had declared war on ME, and i had refrained from making any aggressions upon them, and them on me, anyway, after 5 turns of offering land, money and technology for peace, i gave up.

And destroyed them.

[Gaiseric]

I haven't played enough yet, but maybe the .org should make up some lists of things to show CA that need fixing and patching, diplomacy being one of them. With the new features, diplomacy could be really cool.

[A Very Super Market]

The AI for me has never once left a city unguarded, and as a result has no real field army. So they send out worthless militia units.

[napoleon526]

In my last game as France, Britain really seemed to want Quebec, and kept offering Jamaica, Maine, and various technologies in exchange for it.

[MikeV]

They're less stubbon, but they're still quick to go to war, and they still march all over my land with a single unit of militia.

I actually like the fact that, due to the extra towns feature, the AI can conduct raids. It seems to fit the era and theaters quite nicely. That said, they are too easily exterminated -- I've consistently been able to march a stack from St. Petersburg to Moscow and occupy it in 6 months (during Winter!) -- something neither Napoleon, a century later, nor Guderian, the century after, were able to accomplish!

[foop]

The thing that annoys me about the diplomacy spam is not the repetition (although it's tedious), it's the stupidity of the offers.

I'm ending a short Maratha campaign. I own the Indian subcontinent, and despite my plans to use Persia as a buffer they declared war and had to be punished. I gave them a peace treaty when they asked, because I don't want to rub up against the Ottomans. As a result, I own their territory up to Asfahan.

Spain, Sweden, Britain, the UP and Russia all want to buy a province from me. Do they try to get a sensible one? I might just about be prepared to part with one on my borders (although I'd take some persuading). What I'm not prepared to do is trade a province right in the middle of my territory. And yet, turn after turn they ask for Gujarat or somewhere in the heart of India. I'd have to be an idiot to agree to that.

Surely it wouldn't take much more effort to firm up the sense behind these offers?