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    Alright here it goes. All the below is work in progress, many blanks still need filling in. Especially in East Asia or where historically correct names/capitals are concerned. I'll be editing the list frequently.

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    Europe
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    North America
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    South America
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    Africa
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    Notes:
    - There might be/are mistakes of all sorts, please post them!
    - "native" refers to a non-European faction whose name has not yet been filled in.
    - VOC is the Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie/Dutch United East India Company, I imagine them as a protectorate like the 13 Colonies/New Spain & New France
    - Same goes for the Viceroyality of Peru (South America) which is different from the Viceroyality of New Spain (mainly North America)

    Province/Capital/Owner at 1700

    provinces with changed area, usually to accomodate new provinces
    Europe
    Hannover/Hannover/Hannover
    Brandenburg/Berlin/Prussia
    Wurtemberg/Stuttgart/Wurtemberg
    Rhineland/Münster/Münster/Bishopric of Münster
    North America
    Hispaniola/Santo Domingo/Spain

    provinces with changed name
    Europe
    Papal States/Rome/Papal States

    provinces with changed owner
    North America
    Leeward Islands//Britain
    Bahamas/Nassau/Pirates
    South America
    New Anadalucia//Viceroyalty of Peru
    New Granada//Viceroyalty of Peru

    completey new provinces
    Africa
    Ivory Coast//Britain
    Sierra Leone//Britain
    St. Helena//Britain
    Guinea//France
    Mauritius//France
    Réunion//France
    Senegal//France
    Cape Province Extension #2 Zululand?//native
    Slave Coast//Netherlands
    Madagscar Coast #1//Pirates
    Madagscar Coast #2//Pirates
    Angola//Portugal
    Cap Verde Islands//Portugal
    Delagoa Bay//Portugal
    Fernando Pó//Portugal
    Gabon//Portugal
    Natal//Portugal
    Sao Tome & Principe//Portugal
    Tanganyika//Portugal
    Gold Coast//Prussia
    Kenya//Sultanate of Oman
    Zansibar//Sultanate of Oman
    Cape Province//VOC
    Cape Province Extension #1//VOC
    Europe
    Svalbard/Spitsbergen/?? (D, NL, DK, & F)
    Hesse/Darmstadt/Hesse
    Mecklenburg/Schwerin/Mecklenburg
    Canary Islands//Spain
    Switzerland//Switzerland
    India
    Oman//Sultanate of Oman
    Indies/Australasia
    Sumatra costal//Aceh Sultanate
    Borneo north//Brunei Sultanate
    Cambodia//Khmer
    Vietnam//Lê Dynasty
    New Zealand north//Maori
    New Zealand south//Maori
    Dharug\Kuring-gai\Tharawal/Sydney Cove/native
    Van Diemen's Land/Port Arthur/native
    Wathaurung\Woiworung/Melbourne/native
    Wajuk/Swan River/native
    Yuggera\Gubbi Gubbi/Moreton Bay/native
    Malaysia/Singapore/native
    New Guinea east coastal//native
    New Guinea west coastal//native
    Timor//Portugal
    Siam//Siam
    Philippines north//Viceroyality of New Spain
    Philippines south//Viceroyality of New Spain
    Celebes costal//VOC
    Java costal//VOC
    Malacca//VOC
    Moluccas//VOC
    North America
    Bermuda//Britain
    Virgin Islands//Denmark
    Saint Domingue//France
    2nd Plains Province//native
    Alaska//native
    California small coastal #1//native
    California small coastal #2//native
    Puerto Rico/San Juan/Spain
    South America
    Brazil costal #1//Portugal
    Brazil costal #2//Portugal
    Brazil interior//Portugal
    Falkland Islands//uninhabited
    South Georgia//uninhabited
    Chile//Viceroyalty of Peru
    La Plata//Viceroyalty of Peru
    Peru//Viceroyalty of Peru

    provinces remaining unchanged, some may have changed their theatre though
    Europe
    Austria/Vienna/Austria
    Bohemia/Prague/Austria
    Croatia/Zagreb/Austria
    Hungary/Budapest/Austria
    Silesia/Breslau/Austria
    Transylvania//Austria
    Algiers/Algiers/Barbary States
    Tripolitania//Barbary States
    Tunisia/Tunis/Barbary States
    Bavaria/Munich/Bavaria
    England/London/Britain
    Ireland/Dublin/Britain
    Scotland/Edinburgh/Britain
    Courland/Jelgava/Courland
    Crimea/Bakhchisaray/Crimea
    Cherchenia/Tarki/Dagestan
    Denmark/Copenhagen/Denmark
    Iceland/Reykjavík/Denmark
    Norway/Christiana/Denmark
    Alsace/Strasbourg/France
    France/Paris/France
    Corsica/Bastia/Genoa
    Liguria/Genoa/Genoa
    Georgia/Tiblisi/Georgia
    Morocco/Rabat/Morocco
    Netherlands/Amsterdam/Netherlands
    Anatolia/Ankara/Ottoman
    Armenia/Yerevan/Ottoman
    Bosnia/Sarajevo/Ottoman
    Bulgaria/Sofia/Ottoman
    Egypt/Cairo/Ottoman
    Greece/Athens/Ottoman
    Mesopotamia/Baghdad/Ottoman
    Moldavia/Iasi/Ottoman
    Palestine/Jerusalem/Ottoman
    Rumelia/Constantinople/Ottoman
    Serbia/Belgrade/Ottoman
    Syria/Damascus/Ottoman
    Azerbaijan//Persia
    Baluchistan//Persia
    Persia/Isfahan/Persia
    Belarus/Minsk/Poland
    Galicia//Poland
    Lithuania/Vilnius/Poland
    Poland/Warsaw/Poland
    West Prussia/Gdansk/Poland
    Portugal/Lisbon/Portugal
    East Prussia/Königsberg/Prussia
    Don Voisko/Cherkassk/Russia
    Moskow/Moskow/Russia
    Russia #1//Russia
    Russia #2//Russia
    Russia #3//Russia
    Russia #4//Russia
    Russia #5//Russia
    Ukraine/Kiev/Russia
    Savoy/Turin/Savoy
    Saxony/Dresden/Saxony
    Flanders/Brussels/Spain
    Neaples/Neaples/Spain
    Sardinia/Caligari/Spain
    Sicily/Palermo/Spain
    Spain/Madrid/Spain
    Estonia/Riga/Sweden
    Finland/Abo/Sweden
    Ingira/St. Petersburg/Sweden
    Sweden/Stockholm/Sweden
    Morea/Patras/Venice
    Venetia/Venice/Venice
    India
    Bijapur/Satara/Maratha
    Carnatica/Arcot/Maratha
    Ahmadnagar/Ahmadnagar/Moghul
    Bengal/Calcutta/Moghul
    Berar/Nagpur/Moghul
    Gujarat/Ahmedabad/Moghul
    Hindustan/Akbarabad/Moghul
    Hyderabad/Hyderabad/Moghul
    Kashmir//Moghul
    Malwa/Ujjain/Moghul
    Orissa/Cuttack/Moghul
    Punjab//Moghul
    Rajpootana/Udaipur/Moghul
    Sindh/Neroon Kot/Moghul
    Mysore/Mysore/Mysore
    Ceylon/Trincomalee/Netherlands
    Afghanistan//Persia
    Goa/Goa/Portugal
    North America
    Boston/New England/13 Colonies
    Carolinas/Charleston/13 Colonies
    Maine/Falmouth/13 Colonies
    Maryland/Annapolis/13 Colonies
    New York/Albany/13 Colonies
    Pennsylvania/Philaldephia/13 Colonies
    Virginia/Williamsburg/13 Colonies
    Rupert's Land/Moose Factory/Britain
    Cherokee Territory/Chicasa/Cherokee
    Georgia/Savannah/Cherokee
    Kaintuck Territory/Tellico/Cherokee
    Arcadia/Fort Nashwaak/France
    New France/Quebéc/France
    Newfoundland/St. John's/France
    Upper Canada/Montreal/France
    Windward Islands//France
    Huron Territory/Fort Sault St. Marie/Huron
    Northwest Territories//Huron
    Montagnais/Agvituk/Inuit
    Lower Louisians/New Orléans/New France
    Upper Louisiana/Fort de Chartres/New France
    Plains (name?)//Plains people
    Texas//Pueblo
    Cuba/La Habana/Spain
    Florida/St. Augustine/Spain
    Guatemala/Guatemala/Viceroyality of New Spain
    New Mexico/Santa Fé/Viceroyality of New Spain
    New Spain/Mexico/Viceroyality of New Spain
    South America
    French Guyana//France
    Curacao//Netherlands
    Netherlands Guyana//Netherlands
    Trinidad & Tobago//Pirates
    Panama//Viceroyalty of New Spain
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    Default Re: Suggested Province List

    I miss a few mopre central european nations in your list.
    German statres and definately more french provinces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaFe View Post
    I miss a few mopre central european nations in your list.
    German statres and definately more french provinces.
    Hmm, hmmm, hmmm.
    The problem with the German states is that the line has to be drawn somewhere to ensure playability I think. A nation with only two or so towns just won't cut it. Therefore the aggregation (same with the native American tribes)
    Currently we have:
    - Bavaria, which is pretty much as it was, with border alterations of course.
    - Würtemberg, which seems to represent itself as well as Baden and the Palatinate.
    - Hannover, representing itself and Oldenburg
    - Westphalia, consisting of Hesse-Cassel and Hesse-Nassau (Hesse as a whole is in as a emergent faction though) and the bishopric of Münster.
    - Brandenburg, itself and Mecklenburg.

    I think this makes a pretty good aggregation, although replacing Westphalia with Hesse would be a good idea and maybe a case could be made for Mecklenburg, since it is the largest by area, not-yet-represented and managed to stay independet as a duchy (within the HRE of course) until 1918. (bye, bye absolutism in Germany).
    Leaving out the micro states like Brunswick, Berg and most bishoprics isn't really debatable, the size on the campaign map would be simply too small.

    What is sad though, is that the HRE is in no way represented. It was no less a political entity then in M2TW's timeframe. Maybe someone will have a idea how to implement that.
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    Well, especially the Palatinate is a must, considering the facts the French always wanted it for themselves.
    I really think some more "buffer" german states are necessary, if we don't want to have the Austrians/Prussians and the french fight it out directly all the time, which is not my idea of this time scale.
    Also Baden was not so unimportant and i agree with Hesse.
    It is not necessary to implement every single minor german state, but a few more is a must in my opinion.
    Same goes for France and Spain - although in there case a few more provinces would be fine.
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    I kinda agree with you anyway, Palatinate and Mecklenburg should go in, maybe Baden and Oldenburg as well. The problem I'm seeing is that it might become easier for the strong neighbours to conquer them one by one. Strong army <- money <- towns <- space on campaing map. If they can be made to work, I'd like to see as many as possible.

    Maybe the HRE could be represented by all the German states being protectorates of each other with full military acess...

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    You'd need an overall state to be protector of each, with all the others having indefinite military access and alliances.

    This would create a warless area though.
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    Yes, of course. Protector can't be a protectorate at the same time. Or can it? At least as starting condition? If not, as many self-sustaining states as possible should do, exact number needs to be determinded.

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    just please make singapore a full region-dont lump it in with malaysia. also, if you could find some traditional names for the aust towns (they dont have to actually mean anything-you could just use the aboriginal word for 'fish' or something) that would add to the atmoshpere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishmael View Post
    just please make singapore a full region-dont lump it in with malaysia. also, if you could find some traditional names for the aust towns (they dont have to actually mean anything-you could just use the aboriginal word for 'fish' or something) that would add to the atmoshpere
    I was thinking about two non-land-linked costal provinces on the Malay peninsular. One at the tip (called Malaysia above) and on on the west coast (Malacca).

    It however seems, that you know more about that region than I do (not surprising considering your location ). Would you care to come up with some province names, capitals and locations. The latter for Australia of course, the islands are pretty fixed
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    Little village outside of Brisbane "Indooroopilly" (gully of water according to one tribe)

    Stuff like that.
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    I've edited the complete list for (hopefully) better readability. It should now also contain every province already in the game as well two more HRE states, with one renamed.

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    Wallachia
    It's a must. It was never ever part of Bulgaria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Venom View Post
    I was thinking about two non-land-linked costal provinces on the Malay peninsular. One at the tip (called Malaysia above) and on on the west coast (Malacca).

    It however seems, that you know more about that region than I do (not surprising considering your location ). Would you care to come up with some province names, capitals and locations. The latter for Australia of course, the islands are pretty fixed
    Good idea, I just realised how absolutely puny Singapore would be by itself

    As for Australia, whilst my knowledge of Aboriginal settlements is limited, although I seem to remember that the Aborigines were semi-nomadic, (I always found Australian Hisory dull at school), I managed to find these two maps which might help with the region names:

    http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/u...text_lined.jpg
    http://www.yale.edu/gsp/colonial/Abo...tralia_Map.jpg

    Hope this helps!
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    I failed Australian History at high school...probably because on an essay worth 1/3 of the mark I wrote 33 words... That was yeears ago though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pevergreen View Post
    All the help is useful. If I didn't have this damn job
    Yea, jobs. Damned nuisance! At least forums.totalwar.org isn't blocked at mine, www.totalwar.org is though

    Anyway, I've had a look at the maps kindly provided and changed the list above. From what I could find the areas around modern day Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth were the first settled, as well as Tasmania. I chose the province names accordingly.

    I will post a map of the list in the next few days as well. No Photoshop at work or it would go faster...
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    Yup, those were the first areas. Tasmania was the prison colony of the prison colony. Where I come from (first fleet, bad behaviour to Tasmania, then to south australia and so on)
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    Is there any limit on factions? After the finals, I could go check out the library at the First Nations University of Canada and do some light research into the important tribes at the time of 1700.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah View Post
    Is there any limit on factions?
    Only insofar, as too much splitting of factions and regions wouldn't preserve the vanilla style of gameplay imho. So, some grouping together of tribes in a single faction is necessary. See the HRE argument above...
    But (especially if the theatre is expanded to the Pacific) some more regions and factions are definitely possible!

    OT: What final? Can't be anything important...

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    As promised I added maps to the OP.

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    Huzzah!

    Good news on the modding front, I've got this coming week off work, on a holiday, so depending on how that turns out, I could get a lot done.

    I may have something minor to release before I leave.
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    Beautiful! I'm definitely gonna do some research. I'm seeing some empty spots in North America where some important tribes should be. Btw, I'll go by what you say on the grouping of NA tribes into larger factions.

    However, I probably can't get down to this until the end of April.

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    Wallachia capital city Bucharest

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    My only suggestions are to split France and Spain into some smaller regions, under their control, due to bugs in the Current AI, you can keep the town number the same (overall) so they don't get overpowered.

    Fill out some of the blank areas, even if it is a town with a couple of farms/plantations covering a massive area. Don't understand why they made some of the areas little placeholders in the middle of no where.

    Make the world connecting, so this would make factions like China in the game, and obviously Japan. However, don't know if you got the modellers to add some of their style units in though.
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    If you split France and Spain up into smaller provinces, as probably should be done, then it's only right to do the same with Britain, Sweden and North America (At least the Eastern seaboard)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maleficus View Post
    If you split France and Spain up into smaller provinces, as probably should be done, then it's only right to do the same with Britain, Sweden and North America (At least the Eastern seaboard)
    Great Britain and Ireland are already seperated into 3 provinces. North America is good, too (except for maybe Mexico). My opinion is that it should just be Spain, France, and Sweden that should be cut up in 2 or 3 pieces.

    But that's just my opinion.

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    There needs to be more land bridges too, in the game, in my opinion.
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    Agreed.

    Btw, I'm heading to the library on Monday, so I'll grab a few books and do some light research on the tribes.

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    Are those for battle maps only?

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    I'm not sure. I didn't read much about them except that they were map making tools. Edit: It's not for campaign maps.
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