LotR Successor games, Kingdoms or no?

[TinCow]

If you use SS (4.1 or 6.1), I very strongly suggest that you strip out the entire civil war trait system with a custom mod before the game starts.

[ULC]

OR,

We could use VanillaMod or LTC without actually having to mod the game before hand, just a thought.

Also, as to RPing, that should be something we players do, not something as part of the mod where we are forced into it, IMO.

[Zim]

It's been a while since I've dealt with the blindingly colored units of vanilla and mods close to it, or the arguably weaker gameplay, but it's certainly an option.

Roleplaying is something players do within the confines of the rules and limitations of whatever game they happen to be playing. If players believe that mod x or y offer them better options for roleplaying, or are even just more fun there's nothing wrong with that.

Last game we had people who hated the vanilla Byzantine color scheme so much that it would break all sense of verisimilitude for them. Whether SS changed that was a big part in whether anyone was willing to play that faction.

OR,

We could use VanillaMod or LTC without actually having to mod the game before hand, just a thought.

Also, as to RPing, that should be something we players do, not something as part of the mod where we are forced into it, IMO.

[ULC]

It's been a while since I've dealt with the blindingly colored units of vanilla and mods close to it, or the arguably weaker gameplay, but it's certainly an option.

Roleplaying is something players do within the confines of the rules and limitations of whatever game they happen to be playing. If players believe that mod x or y offer them better options for roleplaying, or are even just more fun there's nothing wrong with that.

Last game we had people who hated the vanilla Byzantine color scheme so much that it would break all sense of verisimilitude for them. Whether SS changed that was a big part in whether anyone was willing to play that faction.

True, but I believe we can acquire a mod to relieve some of that. If it's okay, allow me to look around for it.

Also, LTC's gameplay is some of the best available.

It was only an opinion, and mine at that . And I understand where your coming from, but say we pick another mod with loyalty draining traits or civil war traits. This, again IMHO, subtracts from the ability to roleplay.

[Zim]

I'll be avoiding mods with civil wars like the plague.

I don't like the ones with loyalty reducing traits for distance either (especially when it means reloading turns as Megas because somebody rebelled ) although TheFlax made an interesting point that of all the traits loyalty is generally the one we roleplay the least, preferring to decide for ourselves how loyal our characters our. I think this could be partly because it's the one trait that's very difficult to affect. You can work to get chivalry, dread, piety, etc but not so much loyalty. I wonder if anyone else had the same experience?

I admit not having played LTC much. I was thinking of it in terms of a "vanilla improved" like Vanilla mod. Would you say it's one of the better mods?

[Cecil XIX]

So am I the only one who like's Vanilla's colors and SS's Hellenized names?

[ULC]

I'll be avoiding mods with civil wars like the plague.

I don't like the ones with loyalty reducing traits for distance either (especially when it means reloading turns as Megas because somebody rebelled ) although TheFlax made an interesting point that of all the traits loyalty is generally the one we roleplay the least, preferring to decide for ourselves how loyal our characters our. I think this could be partly because it's the one trait that's very difficult to affect. You can work to get chivalry, dread, piety, etc but not so much loyalty. I wonder if anyone else had the same experience?

I admit not having played LTC much. I was thinking of it in terms of a "vanilla improved" like Vanilla mod. Would you say it's one of the better mods?

Yes, we seem to agree there . I find Loyalty gained ingame is actually more in relation to how close the avatar is to being like the King/Duke/Emperor, rather then anything a player does himself.

LTC uses Kingdoms gameplay balances with what is considered by many to be the best battlefield and campaign AI.

LTC Gold

There is also Grand Unit Add On which works well with Lusted's AI's (which can be obtained separately) and expands on unit availability as well (adding Kingdoms units and CA's unfinished units to the Grand Campaign) and has the same Kingdoms game balance.

So am I the only one who like's Vanilla's colors and SS's Hellenized names?

I don't mind SS hellenized names, nor do I mind the colors of Vanilla either

-Edit: Don't forget LTC 3.1 for M2TW Vanilla!

[Zim]

I didn't mind the vanilla colors for the Byzzies so much, although I can see why people disliked them (that was a lot of purple). I never did and still don't quite get the difficulty with names, but I've come to assume it was a problem for a lot of people, judging by posts on the subject.

So far it mods mentioned (last one by a player on msn) have been:

BC
vanilla mod
Lands to Conquer
Dues lo Vult
The Long Road

The last one has a loyalty lowers at distance thing we'd want to mod out, and second to last civil wars.

Any more? We could do a poll to pick the mod pretty soon and start thinking more about factions again...