Civilization vs Total War

**Aemilius Paulus** · 03-25-2009, 01:57

Originally Posted by pevergreen

I have rise of nations, but its just...not what I'm looking for. Maybe because I'm out of macro practice.

I think you just grown lazy, that is what. Turn based strategy has made you pampered and decadent

. Either that or you need to use the "Pause" button more while playing RoN.

Seriously, you have not played RTS until you have tried RoN, just as you have not played RTT until you have tried TW. The two simply define each genre.

**Durango** · 03-25-2009, 02:14

Rise of Nations is one of the best RTS games ever, and one of my favourite games. I just to do mods for it some time ago, including a "slowdown" mod to make it play more like civilisation actually (as well as adding new units, houses, apartments, factions and rebalancing). Fantastic game!

Civ is probably the ultimate TBS game though, and it would be interesting to play it with fluid borders.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 03-25-2009, 03:31

I'm surprised that it's this close due to this being a Total War forum and all.

That said, my allegience definitely lies with TW, mainly because of the separate battles. Civ doesn't really account for the possibility of against-the-odds victories that definitely change up the state of things.

**Aemilius Paulus** · 03-25-2009, 03:44

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Civ doesn't really account for the possibility of against-the-odds victories that definitely change up the state of things.

Well, technically it does. It is just that you have to "beat the odds" before the actual battle starts, by choosing the right strategy that balances economy, technology, happiness, and military. Not to mention there are various tile bonuses in Civilization.

But yes, I do know what you are talking about, and I agree that it is a major TW advantage over the vast majority of other games. Then again, TW is RTT, while Civilization is TBS and most other similar games are RTS. These comparisons are between completely different things. Of course TW is better in the Battle Mode. It is supposed to be. It is a Real-Time Tactics game. It has to have such battles.

**pevergreen** · 03-25-2009, 11:00

Originally Posted by Durango

Rise of Nations is one of the best RTS games ever, and one of my favourite games. I just to do mods for it some time ago, including a "slowdown" mod to make it play more like civilisation actually (as well as adding new units, houses, apartments, factions and rebalancing). Fantastic game!

Civ is probably the ultimate TBS game though, and it would be interesting to play it with fluid borders.

Yeah, Civ tops TBS, Starcraft still tops RTS, TW tops RTT.

RoN was fun, but Empire Earth is the same kind of thing. Not as good though.

**caravel** · 03-25-2009, 11:14

I always found the Civilization series boring an linear, but I've only played Civ, Civ2 and Civ3. Is Civ4 that much better?

**Beefy187** · 03-25-2009, 12:27

Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa

I always found the Civilization series boring an linear, but I've only played Civ, Civ2 and Civ3. Is Civ4 that much better?

Its a huge leap from the previous series. Especially with Beyond the Sword expansion, the game can be enjoyed over and over.

Although if you didn't like the previous series, I wouldn't recommend it as the game concept isn't vastly different.

**caravel** · 03-25-2009, 17:18

Yes I find Civ games involve too much micromanagement and racing against the AI. I've heard some good stuff about Civ4 before though, so I might give it a go one day.