is there a Shogun mod for MTW?

[chris34au]

i've never played STW but it came with the Total War Eras bundle. i just installed it but then i saw a thread about a Shogun mod for RTW and thought that there might be a chance that someone also made a Shogun mod for MTW.

if not, are there any mods for STW that anyone can recommend or is the vanilla game the best option?

if this thread should be in the STW forum, i apologize. i just thought that this would be the best forum to ask about a Shogun mod for MTW.

[gollum]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=105

[caravel]

There have been two recent AARs of this mod, so I'm surprised you haven't encountered it as yet?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...=47087&page=35
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=113524

The mod is actually hosted here at the .org.

-Edit: The easiest way to download the mod is to look for any post by Puzz3D. Everything you need is linked to in his signature. Be sure to get the sound add-on.

[gollum]

Gotsya

[chris34au]

i saw the AAR's but i didn't know if that was the actual STW game or a mod for MTW. thanks for the link.

if your AAR was from a MTW mod, i'm guessing that the mod is recommended over the actual STW game. is that accurate? if so, i guess there wasn't really any point in installing STW.

[gollum]

Actual STW AARs would be in the sword dojo (the STW forum). Enjoy SWs.

[caravel]

if your AAR was from a MTW mod, i'm guessing that the mod is recommended over the actual STW game. is that accurate? if so, i guess there wasn't really any point in installing STW.

Not necessarily. There is a lot to be said for the original STW game. It is definitely worth playing first before you move on to the SW mod.

-Edit: Well it doesn't matter which you play first, but the original STW is worth playing.

[chris34au]

thanks. i was trying to read up on the game in the sword dojo forum last night but i guess i missed the threads about Samurai Warlords or assumed that it was an STW mod.

[caravel]

Samurai Warlords would not have been mentioned in the Sword Dojo, because it's an MTW mod. Also STW itself is not very good for modding as most of it is hardcoded.

[gollum]

Originally posted by chris34au
if your AAR was from a MTW mod, i'm guessing that the mod is recommended over the actual STW game. is that accurate? if so, i guess there wasn't really any point in installing STW.

No its not accurate - STW has certain features that are essential to it and that the MTW engine cannot reproduce. Such elements are for example the 4 seasons, the weather element, the agent movies, the game events (arrival of foreigners, the master swordsman event etc), the throne room.

However - the MTW engine also has many extra features that teh STW engine didnt had (like the titles, the civil war feature and navies/trade) and in addition the mod has very many more factions than the original STW giving a different flavor to the game.

Imho, as much as i like MTW STW is (slightly) better.

[chris34au]

Not necessarily. There is a lot to be said for the original STW game. It is definitely worth playing first before you move on to the SW mod.

-Edit: Well it doesn't matter which you play first, but the original STW is worth playing.

thanks again for the help. i think i'll go ahead and try a STW campaign to try to get familiar with the game but it's great to know that there's also a MTW mod available. it probably sounds kinda lame but i'm really looking forward to having another TW game to get into. RTW doesn't sound like it's even worth installing but i'm just going by what little that i've read from others about it.

[caravel]

gollum sums it up perfectly. Well said Sir.

I miss the four seasons more than anything else. Yes I miss some of the other features but the one year turns in MTW are just so very wrong.

-Edit: The extra factions in SW are a very big plus though.

-Edit2:

RTW doesn't sound like it's even worth installing but i'm just going by what little that i've read from others about it.

RTW has some redeeming features and it has a lot of very good mods available. Battles are easy, rushed affairs however and even on the hardest setting you'll find yourself crushing the hopelessly inept AI again and again. The campaign map is "interesting", but again it's the AI that lets it down - it simply cannot handle the more complex movement point and diplomacy system.

[gollum]

Thank you our lord and master


Last but not least the MTW battle engine (that SWs are based on) is far more complete and capable and lacks certain bugs present in the STW engine. The most notable of those is the lack of the cavalry charge bonus in STW.

[caravel]

Thank you our lord and master

Less of that thank you very much, I consider myself more of a "public servant" than a despot...

Last but not least the MTW battle engine (that SWs are based on) is far more complete and capable and lacks certain bugs present in the STW engine. The most notable of those is the lack of the cavalry charge bonus in STW.

True, the MTW real time battle engine is probably the pinnacle of the TW series. It has yet to be bettered in terms of physics, the use of tactics and balance. The problem with MTW itself was that it was an imbalanced game built on a balanced engine. The addition of vices and virtues, maritime transport and trade very much skews the outcomes. There are also inherent imblances in unit rosters with many factions fielding duplicate units types and others fielding too many of one type of unit. A good example being the vanilla "Egyptian" faction with their stack composition made up mostly of peasants and camels. It was very easy just to kill the general and watch the whole lot rout. This is what gave rise to the myth of Bedouin Camels being "mounted peasants".

[chris34au]

Less of that thank you very much, I consider myself more of a "public servant" than a despot...

True, the MTW real time battle engine is probably the pinnacle of the TW series. It has yet to be bettered in terms of physics, the use of tactics and balance. The problem with MTW itself was that it was an imbalanced game built on a balanced engine. The addition of vices and virtues, maritime transport and trade very much skews the outcomes. There are also inherent imblances in unit rosters with many factions fielding duplicate units types and others fielding too many of one type of unit. A good example being the vanilla "Egyptian" faction with their stack composition made up mostly of peasants and camels. It was very easy just to kill the general and watch the whole lot rout. This is what gave rise to the myth of Bedouin Camels being "mounted peasants".

that's what i keep hearing about MTW and i guess that's what keeps me from checking out RTW and MTW2. since you've mentioned that there's some really good RTW mods though, i'm kinda interested in checking into it when/if i get bored with STW. thanks again to yourself and gollum for all of the help.

[PershsNhpios]

Certainly, play RTW!
Play it, detest it, and then play the mod Europa Barbarorum - that mod was my counterpart for MTW - when I had a suitable computer.

I played STW for a little while.. but I suppose the grand extent of MTW appeals to me more.
In fact, MTW mods do, not vanilla itself.

Mind you, I did love hearing that belligerent japanese music, and chuckling madly to myself with a japanese akshent!

[gollum]

Properly pronounced is a-ku-su-ent Mr Glenn.

[Puzz3D]

The STW engine has the suicide general which was fixed in the MTW engine. Also, the MTW AI will try to set up flank attacks with cavalry. There is a bug in the MTW engine where the AI will sometimes move additional units on top of a unit that is under ranged fire. It doesn't happen very often.

If you find the guns to be too strong in STW/MI, you can change them. If you want the original STW strength guns which are actually a bit weak, edit projectiles.txt and substitute these lines for the two gun types:

Arquebus
{
0, 15, 4000, 200, 0.07, 4.0, 30, 1, 0
}

Musket
{
0, 15, 5000, 250, 0.12, 4.0, 21, 1, 1
}


You can make the musket 1.5x stronger by changing the 0.12 accuracy to 0.16. If you do that, you might want to increase the 0.07 accuracy of the arquebus to something like 0.10 as well. These settings should work well, and are more in line with the increased cost and lower ammo of guns in STW/MI (muskets $250, ammo 20) relative to their cost in original STW (muskets $175, ammo 40).

Two RTW mods worth checking out are EB and XGM. However, there are deficiencies in the RTW battle engine which these mods cannot overcome. Just the same, you can still have a lot of fun playing these mods. They make the game more historical, and I think XGM does the best job in addressing the shortcomings of the tactical battle engine.

[gollum]

Perhaps its worth it to publish your own SP version of the mod Puzz3D, without ships and kensai and mercenaries and with the balanced incomes.

[HopAlongBunny]

Certainly, play RTW!

I totally agree with Glenn

RTW should be played just to marvel at how an engine can "have all the pieces" and fail to work.

It's all there: the Romans; chariots; phalanx; elephants; slings; Kats; light and heavy HA's... its just endless! and its purty too :)

The tactical and strategic AI just fall so short of the task

EB may have solved some of the worst problems; never played it (and if it requires BI, likely never will) but if you have RTW anyhow, plug it in sometime and take a look.

[chris34au]

i think that i'm going to have to skip STW and go with the Samurai Warlords mod or give RTW a shot. i started a STW campaign but when i went to save my game, my computer froze and i had to unplug it to get out of the game.

it's good to know that there's a mod that fixes most of the issues that people seem to have with RTW. between the setting and the Alexander expansion pack, i was really kinda looking forward to playing it but after reading several threads about the game, i wasn't sure if it'd be fun to someone that was used to playing MTW.

[PershsNhpios]

Just you hop on over to the Europa Barbarorum Forums, whence I came, and ask a few questions.

EB is sublime.

It covers the incompetence of the AI with ice-cream, oreos and fudge so that you can hardly taste the bugs.

And if you think RTW is pretty, just you play that mod!
It makes RTW look like a cheap Sunday Newspaper cartoon.
The gameplay, accuracy, factions, units, balance, and everything moddable is improved infinitely.
Only the AI remains as simple as ever.

It also requires nothing more than RTW 1.5 to play, although mini-mods are available for those with Alex. and BI. executables, which apparently give much greater benefits to the AI.

----

I recommend that you play STW, MTW, RTW, EB, MTW/VI: SW, MM, NTW, P&M, HTW and XL.

[caravel]

i started a STW campaign but when i went to save my game, my computer froze and i had to unplug it to get out of the game.

That's odd. STW is the same as MTW, I'm not sure why it would crash like that. You can CTRL+ALT+DEL, hold in the power button, or hard reset to get out of such a situation. Pulling out the power lead is a bad idea. Such a freeze up is usually down to a hardware issue.

[Tony Furze]

I've abandoned M2TW and RTW (once again).

I'm truly lamenting not being able to play MTW VI - as I love the era, the muslim factions and the Crusading idea.

The good news : Shogun WE does work and I'm getting back into it...in a big way.

[gollum]

Welcome back to MTW/STW Tony.

[chris34au]

before i uninstall, STW, i think i may start it up one more time and see if it happens again. it was just frustrating last night because i'd been playing for about 3 hours when i tried to save the game.

That's odd. STW is the same as MTW, I'm not sure why it would crash like that. You can CTRL+ALT+DEL, hold in the power button, or hard reset to get out of such a situation. Pulling out the power lead is a bad idea. Such a freeze up is usually down to a hardware issue.

maybe it was just a one time thing. i tried ctrl, alt, delete several times but it still wouldn't do anything. there was a gold arrow highlighting the "save game" button but i could move my mouse cursor around on the frozen screen. i hated to pull the plug but i couldn't think of any other way to get out of it.

[caravel]

Rather than pulling the plug, try pushing the reset button on the front of the PC. Also you can try holding down the power button until it powers off. There is usually a 4 second delay.

If it crashes again then make a new thread in the apothecary forum. Be sure to post your system specs and as much info about the crash as possible.

[HopAlongBunny]

I don't need BI for EB!?

Yippeee! I'm going to load the whole thing up ASAP; I would love to see all the goodness that RTW promises finally work :D

Thanks again Glenn

[caravel]

You only need BI for mods that are specifically for BI. EB is for the main RTW campaign and thus only requires RTW v1.5.

[gollum]

You can however play EB with the more advanced version of BI, using the BI exe v1.6, that has several advantages in terms of AI performance over RTW v1.5.