is there a Shogun mod for MTW?

[chris34au]

i saw the AAR's but i didn't know if that was the actual STW game or a mod for MTW. thanks for the link.

if your AAR was from a MTW mod, i'm guessing that the mod is recommended over the actual STW game. is that accurate? if so, i guess there wasn't really any point in installing STW.

[gollum]

Actual STW AARs would be in the sword dojo (the STW forum). Enjoy SWs.

[chris34au]

thanks. i was trying to read up on the game in the sword dojo forum last night but i guess i missed the threads about Samurai Warlords or assumed that it was an STW mod.

[caravel]

Samurai Warlords would not have been mentioned in the Sword Dojo, because it's an MTW mod. Also STW itself is not very good for modding as most of it is hardcoded.

[caravel]

if your AAR was from a MTW mod, i'm guessing that the mod is recommended over the actual STW game. is that accurate? if so, i guess there wasn't really any point in installing STW.

Not necessarily. There is a lot to be said for the original STW game. It is definitely worth playing first before you move on to the SW mod.

-Edit: Well it doesn't matter which you play first, but the original STW is worth playing.

[gollum]

Originally posted by chris34au
if your AAR was from a MTW mod, i'm guessing that the mod is recommended over the actual STW game. is that accurate? if so, i guess there wasn't really any point in installing STW.

No its not accurate - STW has certain features that are essential to it and that the MTW engine cannot reproduce. Such elements are for example the 4 seasons, the weather element, the agent movies, the game events (arrival of foreigners, the master swordsman event etc), the throne room.

However - the MTW engine also has many extra features that teh STW engine didnt had (like the titles, the civil war feature and navies/trade) and in addition the mod has very many more factions than the original STW giving a different flavor to the game.

Imho, as much as i like MTW STW is (slightly) better.

[caravel]

gollum sums it up perfectly. Well said Sir.

I miss the four seasons more than anything else. Yes I miss some of the other features but the one year turns in MTW are just so very wrong.

-Edit: The extra factions in SW are a very big plus though.

-Edit2:

RTW doesn't sound like it's even worth installing but i'm just going by what little that i've read from others about it.

RTW has some redeeming features and it has a lot of very good mods available. Battles are easy, rushed affairs however and even on the hardest setting you'll find yourself crushing the hopelessly inept AI again and again. The campaign map is "interesting", but again it's the AI that lets it down - it simply cannot handle the more complex movement point and diplomacy system.

[gollum]

Thank you our lord and master


Last but not least the MTW battle engine (that SWs are based on) is far more complete and capable and lacks certain bugs present in the STW engine. The most notable of those is the lack of the cavalry charge bonus in STW.

[caravel]

Thank you our lord and master

Less of that thank you very much, I consider myself more of a "public servant" than a despot...

Last but not least the MTW battle engine (that SWs are based on) is far more complete and capable and lacks certain bugs present in the STW engine. The most notable of those is the lack of the cavalry charge bonus in STW.

True, the MTW real time battle engine is probably the pinnacle of the TW series. It has yet to be bettered in terms of physics, the use of tactics and balance. The problem with MTW itself was that it was an imbalanced game built on a balanced engine. The addition of vices and virtues, maritime transport and trade very much skews the outcomes. There are also inherent imblances in unit rosters with many factions fielding duplicate units types and others fielding too many of one type of unit. A good example being the vanilla "Egyptian" faction with their stack composition made up mostly of peasants and camels. It was very easy just to kill the general and watch the whole lot rout. This is what gave rise to the myth of Bedouin Camels being "mounted peasants".

[chris34au]

Less of that thank you very much, I consider myself more of a "public servant" than a despot...

True, the MTW real time battle engine is probably the pinnacle of the TW series. It has yet to be bettered in terms of physics, the use of tactics and balance. The problem with MTW itself was that it was an imbalanced game built on a balanced engine. The addition of vices and virtues, maritime transport and trade very much skews the outcomes. There are also inherent imblances in unit rosters with many factions fielding duplicate units types and others fielding too many of one type of unit. A good example being the vanilla "Egyptian" faction with their stack composition made up mostly of peasants and camels. It was very easy just to kill the general and watch the whole lot rout. This is what gave rise to the myth of Bedouin Camels being "mounted peasants".

that's what i keep hearing about MTW and i guess that's what keeps me from checking out RTW and MTW2. since you've mentioned that there's some really good RTW mods though, i'm kinda interested in checking into it when/if i get bored with STW. thanks again to yourself and gollum for all of the help.

[chris34au]

Not necessarily. There is a lot to be said for the original STW game. It is definitely worth playing first before you move on to the SW mod.

-Edit: Well it doesn't matter which you play first, but the original STW is worth playing.

thanks again for the help. i think i'll go ahead and try a STW campaign to try to get familiar with the game but it's great to know that there's also a MTW mod available. it probably sounds kinda lame but i'm really looking forward to having another TW game to get into. RTW doesn't sound like it's even worth installing but i'm just going by what little that i've read from others about it.