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    Default Re: Should we prevent suicide attempts?

    TBH i saw suicide as pretty much worry free one of the attractions... maybe im just selfish but it wouldn't be a deciding factor...

    Though i have no dependents if i did... it might be different...

    Saddness is all a matter of perception. A 17 year old offing themselves is completly and utterly selfish , to there mum, dad and family.


    Im sure some 17 year old have pretty crappy lives, with no hope for improvment... they may be wrong about there being no hope but is it really that selfish for someone to remove themselves from a horrible place becase they cant take it anymore and see no escape...
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    When I was ill last year (I had an ear infection that ravaged my sense, which made me feel like nothing was real, plus I couldn't feel anything at time, I couldn't do anything, even breathing was hard thanks to a crippling mental decline) and honestyl wanted to die, not to kil lmyself, but to not wake up.

    I can see why people think it, but it depends on each case, the illness made me feel that way, so no pep talk would work because it'd not cure me.

    I am very sad to find somebody here wanted to kill themselves, glad it worked out for the best.
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    BTW i think people are strawmaning the front room guy, i think the x box was more of a last straw than the main reason he was doing it...

    I think people need to consider the problems more, mental issues i think is a fairly straightforward one... as in a portion of it may be more down to thier mental state rather than personal issues... though im guessing it would usually be a mix of both in thier cases...

    The harder one to think on is those who commit suicide without mental issues playing a factor...

    I can understand this one somewhat having thought about it myself...

    One of the main things is a lack of hope... thats the real big killer, life feels crap now... but it is only going to get worse from now on... whether its true or not the lack of hope is the biggest part. If you have nothing to look forward to but plenty of things to dread then just opting out of life seems the sensible option... dread, worries and all problems are gone...

    Sure it means you miss out on any good stuff but usually there isn't a whole lot good in that persons life and they only expect things to get worse... so with a look at the pros and cons of thier life and how that will adjust in the future they get to the conclusion that it really isn't worth it...
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    Default Re: Should we prevent suicide attempts?

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly View Post
    BTW i think people are strawmaning the front room guy, i think the x box was more of a last straw than the main reason he was doing it...
    Yes. And I don't really appreciate it being dragged into the discussion in such a way, very thoughtless considering how recent that topic is.

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    I don't so much mind people drawing on his experiences (although it should be done carefully and with sensitivity) but just the insulting of the guy... do some of you realise he may even read the backroom... and while internet insults may not be the most hurtful things the guy is in a bad place anyway...

    He probably doesn't read the backroom anyway but i personally don't appreciate his desperation being mocked...
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    There were actually times just out of college when things got so bad and rotten that I seriously considered suicide. I had the means, I had the plans, but my paternal grandfather committed suicide as did one of my dad's brothers shortly after, and I just couldn't put my father and grandma through that again as I'm not only my dads only child, but my grandmas only grandchild. Every time they visit those graves on memorial day they are both a mess for the rest of the day.

    But honestly, that's the only thing that kept me from doing it. Oh, and I found the .org soon after.

    I did not, however, talk about my plans with anyone. Ever. I have had plenty of friends and girlfriends who go "suicidal" only for it to be a cry for help or attention, so I have a special disdain for the ones who talk about it and use it as false threats. Exceptions are always available, of course.

    Suicide does not always = mental instability. Many suicides are well-planned, well-executed, and the person in question will often seem at peace, seem happy and maybe even seem like they have a long term plan or goal mapped out, which I guess in a sort of way they do. I would be willing to wager that most People who really, really, really, really want to kill themselves don't advertise that fact.

    But the false threats, grrr they make me so mad, are also used as a means for attention, which dilutes the attention from the people who are actually in need of help. It also desensitizes people from suicide threats, it lessens the impact of suicide prevention and in the long run it only hurts the people who truly need help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump View Post
    But the false threats, grrr they make me so mad, are also used as a means for attention, which dilutes the attention from the people who are actually in need of help. It also desensitizes people from suicide threats, it lessens the impact of suicide prevention and in the long run it only hurts the people who truly need help.
    The desperation of other should not make you mad. Of course some people cry "suicide" out loud because they don't get enough attention, but know that you cannot messure your own problems with other ones.

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    I think the point's already been mentioned, but I think it's all a matter of personal choice and point of view.....I mean a normal person will never be happy killing people, a sadist on the other hand likes causing pain, which to a normal people seems wrong.
    Similarly while we might find life good and nice, another chap might find that life for him sucks. Maybe it's because he's young and he hasn't seen enough to learn that things get better when we work at them, and that darkness never lasts, maybe he does not know ideas we take for granted, and so with his limited knowledge he decides it's better to die than live.
    Now, he thinks it's right, what we think is wrong.......he'll be happy doing it, even if we might not be. So the question is, can we convince that chap to see our point of view? Can we make him realize that life's worth living.....it's not always easy.....and anyway, who says we're right and he's wrong? Maybe it's we who're wrong and he's got it right, that life after death is going to be rosier. I mean, the chap next door who says he saw aliens outside the city, might just be right.....we can't claim to be right on everything because we're humans and we all are biased in one way or the other, we are all biased.
    So the only legitimate reason we have to stop the suicidal person is that those around him might want him to live.....those who love him might want him to live. In that case, we're stopping him not because we want him to live, but because we want the people who want him to live to be happy....so this time, infact he's doing a favor to others by living, in a sense.

    That all aside, I'm not supporting suicide. For one, even if life sucks, even if you know things are down, and will only get worse, even then, suicide is running away. It's like giving up. It's like being in the torture chamber, and spilling everything out, giving up........and even if a chap does not have the courage to keep living for himself, then any decent person must face the world for those who love him. Live for them then. You have nothing to do, you were going to end it all, so insted of taking that final break, you toil some more for those who love you......that's it.

    (Edit: Again, someone might think that running away when the going gets too tough to handle is fine, so........)

    The only kind of 'suicide' that is acceptable to the civilized people, I think, is the kind they have in the old stories. Great people finish of all they came to do on Earth, and have nothing more left to do, and so, wrapping it all up, they discard their bodies. It sounds cooler too.
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    Default Re: Should we prevent suicide attempts?

    Simply put: No. Offer people a way out (a way down for a guy on a bridge) but don't actively prevent them from killing themselves. The right to one's own life always seemed like a clear-cut thing to me. I doubt many here would disagree that people have the right to live their lives how they please (within the law) and why should this be any different?

    As for this so-called selfish issue. It's no more selfish than these so-called 'loved ones' demanding that someone be kept alive when they no longer want to be. Maybe someone picked up on this hypocrisy - I didn't read the whole thread - but I find it unbelievable the number of people that condemn suicidal cases on account of being selfish. You think they're living their lives for you?

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