What unit stats are unique to each faction?

[Eusebius86]

Alright, I tried searching for a thread on this and failed. What unit stats are unique to every faction?

This is undocumented but I'm recalling this from various other threads (on the org and .com site):

- French ships get a +1 bonus to speed

- GB ships get a +2 accuracy bonus and possibly a slight hull bonus (?)

- Swedes get a cavalry unit bonus (more units)

- Austrians get a line infantry bonus (25% more units I think)

- Pirates scare away anyone they can see (couldn't resist that one)

Am I missing anyone else or do I have any info wrong? I'm trying to get a feel for what is unique to the different factions so I get use it to my advantage in multi-player and better appreciate the little differences factions DO have in the game...

[A Very Super Market]

Line infantry stats mostly only change in melee. The stats below are

Melee attack
Melee defence
Morale

GB LF
8
15
10

F LF
10
13
9

P LF
8
14
10

PL LF
8
13
9

UP LF
8
13
9

S LF
8
13
9

Spain LF
8
13
9

US LF
8
13
9

Onto the major difference guys.
A LF
70
40
7
11
8

R LF
70
35
8
12
9

Hindu musketeers
70
35
12
5
7

Bargir LF
70
40
4
9
9

Sikh LF
70
50
8
9
11

Isarelys LF
70
35
6
11
7

Nizam-I Cedit LF
70
45
8
13
11

[Tsavong]

Le FUSIL (Unit Stat Guide) for Empire Total War

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=114977

Also the unit stats for each factions units are in game just play a battle and mouse over the unit cards to see there stats.

[crpcarrot]

did TW ever give faction specific bonus's?? u get faction specific units and faction sepcific discounts in making units in STW or valour bonus's but otherwise the units were usually always the same.

[Eusebius86]

did TW ever give faction specific bonus's?? u get faction specific units and faction sepcific discounts in making units in STW or valour bonus's but otherwise the units were usually always the same.

http://totalwar.honga.net/empire_uni...=naval_frigate

Indicates that in ETW there ARE faction specific bonuses. In the case of France, all their ships have +1 speed compared to ships of all other nations. GB may have a +2 accuracy bonus on their ships.

I want to know if anyone has discovered any other faction specific bonuses that affect all of that factions units...

[crpcarrot]

maybe a reference from CA would be more reliable

[Eusebius86]

maybe a reference from CA would be more reliable

I doubt CA is ever going to come out and say "oh and by the way, all French ships get bonuses to speed and GB ships get bonuses to accuracy." It would be nice though... Better yet, have CA create unit and faction guides with all the unit stats and bonuses.

What the link I provided does give is a database to vanilla unit stats, which strongly indicates that there are faction specific bonuses. Once again, compare the speeds of French ships with the speeds of ALL other factions and you will see that they are +1 higher...

[Melvish]

Base charge bonus also change from factions to factions, out the top of my head:

UK (Ain't no 1800 but since Ireland not included as a protectorate in the game, i call it UK)
Line Infantry CB: 5

France
LI CB : 6

Prussia
LI CB : 7

[seireikhaan]

There's one other important stat missing: reload skill. Very important.

[IvarrWolfsong]

Just a note: Some of these bonuses seem small but are very good in actual game play.

Sweden gets a bonus to cavalry unit size (+15 troops per unit)
This seems to be minor but it makes a HUGE difference in my games as it allows Sweden to gain Cav superiority. It allows you to smash the enemies cavalry and then use your cav to smash their infantry. I know a lot of folks have had trouble with using Cavalry, but I had some incredible wins with Sweden vs the AI by rolling up the line with my Heavy Cav.

Also, Russian line is weak. It doesn't seem to bad until you start seeing the terrible losses of men you take while the lines play "volleyball" against one another. As each of your soldiers dies, things get worse and worse. After a short time it doesnt seem bad... 105 vs 115... then 90 vs 110 ... then its getting bad ... 70 vs 105 .. 50 vs 100 etc ... broken vs 95... which then means that 95 is now unloading on another one of your units... ouchie.

ie - Small difference lead to big outcomes

There is a famous quote somewhere about howe victory in war is often decided by the accumulation of tiny advantages..

[A Very Super Market]

No, Sweden gets 33% more men per unit in cavalry. Unit sizes, mate.

[Sheogorath]

Russian line infantry really should be better at melee than they are. CA just doesn't seem to have any love for the Ruskies.

[Pinxit]

Russian line infantry really should be better at melee than they are. CA just doesn't seem to have any love for the Ruskies.

Nah. They ran so fast from the battlefield of Narva that CA didnt have time to measure their capabilities

[Sheogorath]

Nah. They ran so fast from the battlefield of Narva that CA didnt have time to measure their capabilities

I'm sure I don't need to remind anybody that Sweden lost that war.

[Eusebius86]

I'm sure I don't need to remind anybody that Sweden lost that war.

Due to a nit-wit king, not cowardly soldiers mind you...

[Fondor_Yards]

Could we not have another Russian-Sweden fight for the love of god?

[Sheogorath]

Due to a nit-wit king, not cowardly soldiers mind you...

Hardly a 'nit-wit'. He was just too aggressive. Charles XII was at least as brilliant as Peter.
I guess you could just say he wasn't so good at long-term strategy.

Could we not have another Russian-Sweden fight for the love of god?

Pfft. Why not?


While we're on the subject of the Great Northern War, why is Russia at war with the Ottoman Empire at the start of the game and not Sweden?
Dammit, CA.

[NimitsTexan]

Would have been nice to have a published strategy guide with this info.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Could we not have another Russian-Sweden fight for the love of god?

Did the Parliament have a lot of those? Splendid. A shame I missed them however. I absolutely love such nationalistic debates. Could anyone oblige me with a link(s) please?

[Sheogorath]

Did the Parliament have a lot of those? Splendid. A shame I missed them however. I absolutely love such nationalistic debates. Could anyone oblige me with a link(s) please?

Name search Fenir. Just about any topic I saw him post in on this board consisted of him tl;dr'ing about how great Sweden was, or how terrible Russia was. Or how great the UK was.

Ah, the good ol' pre-release days

[Eusebius86]

Name search Fenir. Just about any topic I saw him post in on this board consisted of him tl;dr'ing about how great Sweden was, or how terrible Russia was. Or how great the UK was.

Ah, the good ol' pre-release days

It never ceases to amaze me what rabbit trails are taken in these forums. I start a thread about unit stats, and it ends up being a Russia vs Sweden thread...

[TenkiSoratoti_]

I see alot about Sweden this and Sweden that on this board and the TW Centre one. It used to be Poland, now Sweden has taken the reigns. Odd.

Do the British have the best Line Infantry? Or was it the French?

[A Very Super Market]

My post is right up there. Yes, the British do. Morale is more important than melee attack, which their higher defence neutralizes anyways.

[Sheogorath]

My post is right up there. Yes, the British do. Morale is more important than melee attack, which their higher defence neutralizes anyways.

They get a bonus in accuracy too, don't they? I think theirs is 45.
I could be wrong, though. I just woke up.

[IvarrWolfsong]

No, Sweden gets 33% more men per unit in cavalry. Unit sizes, mate.

Well on large it is 60 normal cav troops instead of 45 (15 extra) and 75 dragoons instead of 60 (15 extra) so not really 33 percent

[A Very Super Market]

I think dragoons are a special case. On huge, 60-man cavalry units are 80 for Swedish. Same with small, and normal.

Dragoons don't count. :P

And I did my post by the custom battle screen, no experience bonuses. So, you are probably tired.