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Who cares about immigration anyway?
Seriously. It's the economy, stupid
Seriously. It's the economy, stupid
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Who cares about immigration anyway?
Seriously. It's the economy, stupid
If the Dutch are anything like the Mexicans he won't take kindly to that.Who cares about immigration anyway?
Seriously. It's the economy, stupid
I think something alot of people don't realise is half the reason muslims could become a large group perhaps even the largest some point in the distant future is in part because the dilution of christians to atheism, consider also that alot of these muslims that do come to europe are fairly liberal and your realise that there is nothing at all to worry about...
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
If the Dutch are anything like the Mexicans he won't take kindly to that.
If the Dutch are anything like the Mexicans he won't take kindly to that.
I'd rather deal with degenerate Catholics than degenerate Muslims any day of the week. And as you say, the food is better
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump:
I'd rather deal with degenerate Catholics than degenerate Muslims any day of the week. And as you say, the food is better
The food is better? A life without a proper kebab is meaningless.I'd rather deal with degenerate Catholics than degenerate Muslims any day of the week. And as you say, the food is better
Brazil is a good option in this case. Actually, Brazil is a good option in any case. 
Enjoy yourself on the beach and watch beautiful, scantily clad girls play beach volley. I mean, it's got to be a dream come true for any sports fan...
Enjoy yourself on the beach and watch beautiful, scantily clad girls play beach volley. I mean, it's got to be a dream come true for any sports fan...
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
Yes the Islamic threat is overwhelming... these tiny percentages of our populations will rise up and destroy everyone else because us non muslims are incapable of defending ourselves..
Or alternatively not... im not worried...
The threat of cultural relativism and blind multiculturalism is overwhelming. Dutch muslims are pretty relaxed, they hardly cause any trouble, not like in other European country's at least. Contrary to belief they hardly ask for anything safe a few provocers that shouldn't be treated as a conversation partner but should just be kicked out after laughing them in the face first. I really couldn't care less about muslims not integrating that is asking too much from them because we have no idea into what they should be integrating, we are way too confused about that ourselves. We are back at 1848, or close.Yes the Islamic threat is overwhelming... these tiny percentages of our populations will rise up and destroy everyone else because us non muslims are incapable of defending ourselves..
Or alternatively not... im not worried...
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump:
I'd rather deal with degenerate Catholics than degenerate Muslims any day of the week. And as you say, the food is better
I agreed. If the Kebab is your benchmark of cuisine I feel sorry for you HoreTore. Wow, meat and peppers? Two thousand years and that's the best they could do? I'd be pretty pissed off at the world to.I'd rather deal with degenerate Catholics than degenerate Muslims any day of the week. And as you say, the food is better
Well except the UK
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
I think something alot of people don't realise is half the reason muslims could become a large group perhaps even the largest some point in the distant future is in part because the dilution of christians to atheism.
Uhm sorry what?I think something alot of people don't realise is half the reason muslims could become a large group perhaps even the largest some point in the distant future is in part because the dilution of christians to atheism.
European atheists don't even make 10%
They are to blame for making more space for muslims so one day they will be a majority?
There is no connection between growing immigration of muslim population and a secular society.
eh... never mind.
Have a love hate relationship with Amsterdam, it is the coolest city on earth and people who disagree are wrong, obviously, it's still fun but it's losing it's soul. If you are there go at queensday, great fun biggest outdoor party on the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_VZIGn6jc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_VZIGn6jc
Originally Posted by Vuk:
I don't think anyone is afraid of that...or afraid at all Grizzly. I think there is just a little indignation over a social injustice. It is just not fair to the rest of society when one group has been so priviledged (and at the expense of other groups). Not to mention that radical elements of islam have been given a free ticket to operate in many places live Sweden, which is causing MUCH more than a little trouble (look back on the Sweden thread to see what I mean).
That liveleak video was one of the most biased things I've seen. Fair enough, most of it is true, but then Rosengård has been noted as a immigrant failure for about 20 years or something.I don't think anyone is afraid of that...or afraid at all Grizzly. I think there is just a little indignation over a social injustice. It is just not fair to the rest of society when one group has been so priviledged (and at the expense of other groups). Not to mention that radical elements of islam have been given a free ticket to operate in many places live Sweden, which is causing MUCH more than a little trouble (look back on the Sweden thread to see what I mean).
That Israel is viewed badly by one of the largest groups living there (namely Palestinians) and Israel has also been a target by the left for ages are not exactly surpricing (but still sad in how the actions are made).
The alliance between the atheist "I take any excuse to put up a riot"-left (they are somewhat common in Sweden) and teh muslims are also a nice sign on how strong and dangerous those "kill all infidels"-muslims are...
The politics of the Swedish Democrats are basically "if we
Most leading members were former members of more obvious racist parties aswell. They are basically riding the anti immigration right-wing populist parties wave going on in Europe atm and are quite small compared to thier counterparts and are attacking the wrong points on the actual integration issues, like that the many of the integration programs are crap (often entrepenours where the costumer (the state or communes) aren't checking them out properly).
Edit simply to add, it's basically showing the worst ghetto in the US and then claiming that this is how the entire US will look like in a few years if the democrats/republicans.
Originally Posted by Fixiwee:
Uhm sorry what?
European atheists don't even make 10%
They are to blame for making more space for muslims so one day they will be a majority?
There is no connection between growing immigration of muslim population and a secular society.
Don't even make 10%? What are you on? Or are you confusing "christians" with "people registered with a church"? Like the situation is here, 80% of us are registered in the state church(due to laziness, membership scams, etc), however, every survey made in the last two decades or more have shown the percentage of people who call themselves christians to be somewhere around 20-30%. The same number I've seen in a lot of other european countries, like England.Uhm sorry what?
European atheists don't even make 10%
They are to blame for making more space for muslims so one day they will be a majority?
There is no connection between growing immigration of muslim population and a secular society.
Originally Posted by Ironside:
That liveleak video was one of the most biased things I've seen. Fair enough, most of it is true, but then Rosengård has been noted as a immigrant failure for about 20 years or something.
That Israel is viewed badly by one of the largest groups living there (namely Palestinians) and Israel has also been a target by the left for ages are not exactly surpricing (but still sad in how the actions are made).
The alliance between the atheist "I take any excuse to put up a riot"-left (they are somewhat common in Sweden) and teh muslims are also a nice sign on how strong and dangerous those "kill all infidels"-muslims are...
The politics of the Swedish Democrats are basically "if wekick out encurage emigration of all (bad) immigrants then everything will be better". One of the few things written not by vague words are that doing this will enable lowering the taxes and increase social welfare.
Most leading members were former members of more obvious racist parties aswell. They are basically riding the anti immigration right-wing populist parties wave going on in Europe atm and are quite small compared to thier counterparts and are attacking the wrong points on the actual integration issues, like that the many of the integration programs are crap (often entrepenours where the costumer (the state or communes) aren't checking them out properly).
The really funny bit is that the large majority of immigrants coming to Sweden comes from Iraq. Our That liveleak video was one of the most biased things I've seen. Fair enough, most of it is true, but then Rosengård has been noted as a immigrant failure for about 20 years or something.
That Israel is viewed badly by one of the largest groups living there (namely Palestinians) and Israel has also been a target by the left for ages are not exactly surpricing (but still sad in how the actions are made).
The alliance between the atheist "I take any excuse to put up a riot"-left (they are somewhat common in Sweden) and teh muslims are also a nice sign on how strong and dangerous those "kill all infidels"-muslims are...
The politics of the Swedish Democrats are basically "if we
Most leading members were former members of more obvious racist parties aswell. They are basically riding the anti immigration right-wing populist parties wave going on in Europe atm and are quite small compared to thier counterparts and are attacking the wrong points on the actual integration issues, like that the many of the integration programs are crap (often entrepenours where the costumer (the state or communes) aren't checking them out properly).
up. Shows how caring the right-wingers are; kill people for fun, then run away from the consequences. Yes, responsibility is what the right is all about....Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Don't even make 10%? What are you on? Or are you confusing "christians" with "people registered with a church"? Like the situation is here, 80% of us are registered in the state church(due to laziness, membership scams, etc), however, every survey made in the last two decades or more have shown the percentage of people who call themselves christians to be somewhere around 20-30%. The same number I've seen in a lot of other european countries, like England.
Okay I might be wrong.Don't even make 10%? What are you on? Or are you confusing "christians" with "people registered with a church"? Like the situation is here, 80% of us are registered in the state church(due to laziness, membership scams, etc), however, every survey made in the last two decades or more have shown the percentage of people who call themselves christians to be somewhere around 20-30%. The same number I've seen in a lot of other european countries, like England.
But post a link as a prove please.
Because as far as I recall many people are Agnostic and not pure Atheists and there is a clear difference. I find it hard to belive that more then 10% are real Atheists in any of the european countries.
Originally Posted by Fixiwee:
Okay I might be wrong.
But post a link as a prove please.
Because as far as I recall many people are Agnostic and not pure Atheists and there is a clear difference. I find it hard to belive that more then 10% are real Atheists in any of the european countries.
Whatever. The point was not religious, more specifically, not christian. There is a clear difference between agnosticism and atheism, but there's a clear difference between being agnostic or atheist and being religious too.Okay I might be wrong.
But post a link as a prove please.
Because as far as I recall many people are Agnostic and not pure Atheists and there is a clear difference. I find it hard to belive that more then 10% are real Atheists in any of the european countries.
And I don't have any linkys, sorry, I read my news the proper way; from a newspaper. None of this newfangled "interwebs" nonsense for me!
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Whatever. The point was not religious, more specifically, not christian. There is a clear difference between agnosticism and atheism, but there's a clear difference between being agnostic or atheist and being religious too.
Okay. But the argument was that this state of religiousness is enabling the growth of muslim minorities.Whatever. The point was not religious, more specifically, not christian. There is a clear difference between agnosticism and atheism, but there's a clear difference between being agnostic or atheist and being religious too.
And I don't see a connection here.
Originally Posted by :
And I don't have any linkys, sorry, I read my news the proper way; from a newspaper. None of this newfangled "interwebs" nonsense for me!
Well then I simply wont belive you, my good sir. And I don't have any linkys, sorry, I read my news the proper way; from a newspaper. None of this newfangled "interwebs" nonsense for me!
Originally Posted by Fixiwee:
Okay. But the argument was that this state of religiousness is enabling the growth of muslim minorities.
I wouldn't worry about that. Forget all the whining, there are still no more than 80.000 muslims in this country(pop:4,8 mill). I think it'll be quite some time before they're running the show....Okay. But the argument was that this state of religiousness is enabling the growth of muslim minorities.
The real problem, is that when people hear "immigrant", they immediately think "muslim". Even worse when it's "non-western immigrant". Of course forgetting the fact that christian eastern europe(including Russia), communist china and other eastern asian states, hindu india, christian south america and largely christian africa are all included in the term "non-western"...
Sorry what I meant was the drift from christianity to atheism (or agnostic) means that in comparison to the major religious group (christianity) muslim grows quickly... quicker than the influx of muslim immigrants and birth of muslim children
And this drift from christianity is likely to continue... meaning predictions of muslims being the major group aren't all that meaningful when you consider that the christian group combined with atheists and agnostics shall still be larger..
Unless your afriad of atheists and agnosts as well as muslims..
Personally i don't see the threat, sure a portion of them have some unfavourable views but they are a minority among thier own in our countrys as well as thier own being a minority this makes them pretty unthreatening...
Also the whole british sharia law thing is overblown, they only use iot if both parties agree and then it still has to fall within british law perfectly reasonable... and im fairly sure its something we have done for other faiths also..
And this drift from christianity is likely to continue... meaning predictions of muslims being the major group aren't all that meaningful when you consider that the christian group combined with atheists and agnostics shall still be larger..
Unless your afriad of atheists and agnosts as well as muslims..
Personally i don't see the threat, sure a portion of them have some unfavourable views but they are a minority among thier own in our countrys as well as thier own being a minority this makes them pretty unthreatening...
Also the whole british sharia law thing is overblown, they only use iot if both parties agree and then it still has to fall within british law perfectly reasonable... and im fairly sure its something we have done for other faiths also..
Originally Posted by KukriKhan:
Dude: Canada. Western Canada. It's America Lite - just enough socialism to be familiar to you (and not such a culture shock as the US would be), with the same "can-do", optimistic attitude as their southern neighbors. You'd fit right in, and they'd love your accent.
They are still arguing multiculturalism vs assimilationalism - they have been for decades - but (unknown to them) assimilationalism is winning; mostly because the only group that all groups there hate more than anything else, and which distain unites them, is America. They will all assimilate, rather than 'become' American. Anything other than that.
Plus, they're in much less danger of water shortage, so you can still enjoy your "rain-shower" there, and maybe even install sidewall waterjets, for a full-body experience.
That's clearly not what I've been told about Vancouver, and I'm quite surprise that the idea of assimilationalism would even be mentioned in Canada.Dude: Canada. Western Canada. It's America Lite - just enough socialism to be familiar to you (and not such a culture shock as the US would be), with the same "can-do", optimistic attitude as their southern neighbors. You'd fit right in, and they'd love your accent.
They are still arguing multiculturalism vs assimilationalism - they have been for decades - but (unknown to them) assimilationalism is winning; mostly because the only group that all groups there hate more than anything else, and which distain unites them, is America. They will all assimilate, rather than 'become' American. Anything other than that.
Plus, they're in much less danger of water shortage, so you can still enjoy your "rain-shower" there, and maybe even install sidewall waterjets, for a full-body experience.
If it's anything like Toronto and Ontario, then it's 100% multiculturalism with everyone doing is stuff in his own community. I'll be visiting Vancouver soon, can't wait to see how it is by myself :)
As for the topic itself, well, I don't know. The anti-islam rhetoric seems quite similar to the previous anti-left rhetoric used to bash anarchism, socialism and communism. I'm not seeing the two "threats" as similar, and even though I'm pretty progressive and left-winged, I can definitely see how Islam is an issue in western Europe. I for one don't think there's any place definitely better than Netherlands, and I don't advise you to go to Ontario: the simple sight of churches everywhere, and muslim people dressed like they would be in Saudi Arabia drives me completely nut.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Have a love hate relationship with Amsterdam, it is the coolest city on earth and people who disagree are wrong, obviously, it's still fun but it's losing it's soul. If you are there go at queensday, great fun biggest outdoor party on the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_VZIGn6jc
Have a love hate relationship with Amsterdam, it is the coolest city on earth and people who disagree are wrong, obviously, it's still fun but it's losing it's soul. If you are there go at queensday, great fun biggest outdoor party on the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r_VZIGn6jc
Well, there are some major differences between the two.
1) Pot is illegal
2) Prostitution is illegal.
3) It's a fairly inexpensive city.
4) Wooo... crime. eh.
5) We wouldn't have a "Queens Day," we would likely spend somewhere between 1 week to a month on it.
here's the wiki:
New Orleans
Anyway, it's set up more like a European city than most metropolitan regions in the U.S.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Shows how caring the right-wingers are; kill people for fun, then run away from the consequences. Yes, responsibility is what the right is all about....
Advice for all: Please stop the generalised bashing. There are shades of opinion across the political spectrum - it is tantamount to trolling if one characterises an entire school of political thought so carelessly.Shows how caring the right-wingers are; kill people for fun, then run away from the consequences. Yes, responsibility is what the right is all about....
Thank you kindly.
You could come and live up here in Yorkshire. We have the best currys on the planet. Granted there is a Mosque or six but, hey, the lassi is great as well. 
Did I mention Texas?
Texas, meh, new kid on the block. Texas is the Yorkshire of the USA. 
Originally Posted by InsaneApache:
Texas, meh, new kid on the block. Texas is the Yorkshire of the USA.
Are we talking about the terrier or the pudding?Texas, meh, new kid on the block. Texas is the Yorkshire of the USA.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
Are we talking about the terrier or the pudding?
I think it's a type of hotdog.Are we talking about the terrier or the pudding?
All three.
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
Also the whole british sharia law thing is overblown, they only use iot if both parties agree and then it still has to fall within british law perfectly reasonable... and im fairly sure its something we have done for other faiths also..
The point is that it isn't reasonable, it isn't overblown. Not only has Sharia actually been introduced, but about the problems with it...let's just say so much for caring about women's rights from [certain viewpoints in the political spectrum that are on the other side of my own]...Also the whole british sharia law thing is overblown, they only use iot if both parties agree and then it still has to fall within british law perfectly reasonable... and im fairly sure its something we have done for other faiths also..
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