Find me a home (now focusing on biblical Israel & the talmud)

[Rhyfelwyr]

Very true for Christianity , after all what were they upset with in the way the church had developed and changed over the centuries

Not really, some of the bad practices which emerged might have tipped the balance, but few of the reformers viewed themselves as trying to return to an earlier, purer church. This is in contrast to many Muslims who look back to the Caliphate.

[Tribesman]

Not really, some of the bad practices which emerged might have tipped the balance, but few of the reformers viewed themselves as trying to return to an earlier, purer church.

Yes really , luther was well pissed with some of the changes and developments , he even changed some the words in the bible to show everyone how pissed off he was . He wanted a return to a "purer" church .

This is in contrast to many Muslims who look back to the Caliphate.

Many Muslims ? I thought this was about the fundies . say for example the saudi fruitcakes who harp on about a return to the good old Caliphate yet follow a sect that opposed the good old Caliphate

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yes really , luther was well pissed with some of the changes and developments , he even changed some the words in the bible to show everyone how pissed off he was . He wanted a return to a "purer" church .

Yes he wanted to sort out some of the corruptions which had emerged such as indulgences and some funny doctrines, but he was quite disillusioned with the whole Papal-style church system by the end of his life, not just its incarnation during his time. And Luther only represents the first phase of the Reformation, Calvin could harldy be said to be looking backward to a mythic past church, his doctrines were all new, even if he was influenced somewhat by Augustine.

Many Muslims ? I thought this was about the fundies . say for example the saudi fruitcakes who harp on about a return to the good old Caliphate yet follow a sect that opposed the good old Caliphate

There's nothing wrong with looking back to Islam's golden age. If Christians and Muslims could get on in Andalusia a millenia ago, you would think they could do it nowadays. There's nothing wrong with Christians or Muslims looking back to such times, at least not from a secular point of view.

[Fragony]

Not really, some of the bad practices which emerged might have tipped the balance, but few of the reformers viewed themselves as trying to return to an earlier, purer church.

That's not true that was more or less the point, reformers were inspired by the thinkers of the renaissance who believed that the closer you were to the life of Jezus and his apostels the better, to yes return to a purer form of christianity.

[Rhyfelwyr]

That's not true that was more or less the point, reformers were inspired by the thinkers of the renaissance who believed that the closer you were to the life of Jezus and his apostels the better, to yes return to a purer form of christianity.

A purer form of christianity yes, but not a purer past form of the Roman Catholic Church. Otherwise, why would they not establish their own Papacy?

[Fragony]

my bad misunderstood you

[Hooahguy]

i learned a very interesting piece on the 7 nations issue.
the rambam answers that G-d needed a monotheistic society in Israel. he offered to the 7 nations that if they would believe in him they could stay, but if not, they had to be expelled.