The Council of Villains- Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

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What am I supposed to be taking blame for? I didn't particularly like your two person hit list(the other two were wog bait), so I went for someone else. I notified you before the kill, admittingly late, and I tried to alter it at the last second, only to be informed it was too late.


And I would like you to use a bit more creativity. At the very least, you could have given me a fake list of "proven innocents" and seen if they died instead. You are going to lynch a person of complete villainous when you could just investigate me instead and be proven that I am with you guys.

[taka]

its day right?

vote: khaan

seems like hes doing us bad more than good

[Askthepizzaguy]

What am I supposed to be taking blame for?

You were given a much longer hitlist, and a shorter one, because the shorter one indicated that we had narrowed it down further and I didn't want you hitting investigated people. You decided to go off the hit list because you "didn't like the choices".

At least you admit that much.

I didn't particularly like your two person hit list(the other two were wog bait),

Case in point.

so I went for someone else.

Without telling me, without consulting me first, without informing me until the last minute. Literally, right before the writeup. I even covered for you and said all the troopers got their orders in on time. What a lie.

I notified you before the kill, admittingly late, and I tried to alter it at the last second, only to be informed it was too late.

How much time did you have to inform me of your kill? all last day phase, and all this extended night phase.

And I would like you to use a bit more creativity.

I'd like you to use better judgment.

At the very least, you could have given me a fake list of "proven innocents" and seen if they died instead.

I apologize for not trying to deceive you. Won't happen again. That would have proven nothing; you could have avoided killing them to get on my good side, by the way. So, bad idea all around.

You are going to lynch a person of complete villainous when you could just investigate me instead and be proven that I am with you guys.

Sorry. Won't waste an investigation on a disloyal and dangerous villain. Rather use it to find the heroes. Rather use the lynch to dispose of a disloyal and dangerous villain to ensure no more mistakes.

But! It's not my decision. This time, EVERYONE is free to make their own choice who to lynch, I won't interfere. And BTW, they always had that choice; they follow me voluntarily.

-Bowser

[seireikhaan]

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You were given a much longer hitlist, and a shorter one, because the shorter one indicated that we had narrowed it down further and I didn't want you hitting investigated people. You decided to go off the hit list because you "didn't like the choices". At least you admit that much.

Of course I admit it. I didn't like the choices, so, again, I killed whom I thought was scummy. I don't know why you refuse to accept this. Same as with Psychonaut, same as with the others. Only now do you raise a big fuss.

Without telling me, without consulting me first, without informing me until the last minute. Literally, right before the writeup. I even covered for you and said all the troopers got their orders in on time. What a lie.

Not a lie. My order was in the same day that the day phase ended. I chose not to tell you until later. Further, I had no idea it was right at the last second. I was figuring the night would end at around 8 PM CST, much like the other nights. I was wrong.

I'd like you to use better judgment.

Was my choice a bad one this time? Yes, it was, IN RETROSPECT. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. I could not have known Beefy was a protector unless you told me he was, which you refused to do despite the inherent logic that would make it good to do so.

I apologize for not trying to deceive you. Won't happen again. That would have proven nothing; you could have avoided killing them to get on my good side, by the way. So, bad idea all around.

Good, you should apologize. Mafia is all about the art of deception, even if one must use it for good.

Sorry. Won't waste an investigation on a disloyal and dangerous villain. Rather use it to find the heroes. Rather use the lynch to dispose of a disloyal and dangerous villain to ensure no more mistakes.

I see. You would rather waste a lynch than an investigation. Clearly good judgement. How about, instead of the current plan, we try and find an actual hero for the lynching phase?

[Greyblades]

One thing, if that resurrection thing is a multi use, can I please be ressurrected to see khaan lynched?

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Of course I admit it. I didn't like the choices, so, again, I killed whom I thought was scummy. I don't know why you refuse to accept this. Same as with Psychonaut, same as with the others. Only now do you raise a big fuss.

Not a lie. My order was in the same day that the day phase ended. I chose not to tell you until later. Further, I had no idea it was right at the last second. I was figuring the night would end at around 8 PM CST, much like the other nights. I was wrong.

Was my choice a bad one this time? Yes, it was, IN RETROSPECT. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. I could not have known Beefy was a protector unless you told me he was, which you refused to do despite the inherent logic that would make it good to do so.

Good, you should apologize. Mafia is all about the art of deception, even if one must use it for good.

I see. You would rather waste a lynch than an investigation. Clearly good judgement. How about, instead of the current plan, we try and find an actual hero for the lynching phase?

I reject this entire argument as poppycock.

I accept that you killed whoever you thought was scummy without consulting me first. That's why you're going to die here, now. You chose not to tell me until it was too late. You were very wrong. In retrospect, you could have killed from the list of people I gave you. You want a list of people not to kill?

Take the list of players.
Cross off everyone I told you to kill.
Done.

The art of deception... so, you're arguing, because I didn't lie to you all game, it is my fault you picked two power roles to kill? Weak. You're actually convincing me this is a very good move to lynch you.

-Bowser

[seireikhaan]

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I reject this entire argument as poppycock.

I accept that you killed whoever you thought was scummy without consulting me first. That's why you're going to die here, now. You chose not to tell me until it was too late. You were very wrong. In retrospect, you could have killed from the list of people I gave you. You want a list of people not to kill?

What do you want? I didn't like the players you had on the list; they didn't strike me as guilty based off of thread behavior. I'm not a goon.

The art of deception... so, you're arguing, because I didn't lie to you all game, it is my fault you picked two power roles to kill? Weak. You're actually convincing me this is a very good move to lynch you.

No, now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said it was YOUR fault. I was saying it was NOT my fault for targeting players I could not have possibly known were pro-town.

[LittleGrizzly]

Why didn't you at least discuss your other suspects with pizza... im sure if you had discussed it between the two of you, you could find someone you thought was suspicious and that was on pizza's list ?

[seireikhaan]

Why didn't you at least discuss your other suspects with pizza... im sure if you had discussed it between the two of you, you could find someone you thought was suspicious and that was on pizza's list ?

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The list was two players long. I didn't think either was all that scummy. Pizza didn't give me much to work with.

[Beefy187]

I was purposefully hopping on bandwagon to make my self look scummy, so I can survive as lynch bait.

But me chanting "I'm black knight! I'm Black Knight" earlier rounds didn't seem to help..

Good luck town!

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Actually I just remembered I'm at war with The Koopa troop... unvote:khaan for now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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What do you want? I didn't like the players you had on the list; they didn't strike me as guilty based off of thread behavior. I'm not a goon.

No, now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said it was YOUR fault. I was saying it was NOT my fault for targeting players I could not have possibly known were pro-town.

1. You did what you wanted, with disastrous consequences.
2. Whose fault is it? You made the choice. I gave you safe kills. I could NOT reveal who was pro-town. And by the way I still had to do so when you made the choice to kill beefy. But you decided to wait until heck froze over to let me know who you were killing. Again, your choice.

You won't budge, fine. It's just a fact, I did everything I could have done, safely, to prevent this. You decided on your own to not tell me who you were going to kill until it was way too late (why? This is the interesting part. You never explained why, if you trust me to defend you all game, in thread, out of thread, with power roles and defenders, not waste an investigation on you... even get into a fight with Sasaki trying to save you from death... you decided not to tell me who you were going to kill. You delayed intentionally, for no reason at all.)

Bottom line, you don't want to say it's your fault, and this isn't about assigning fault. If that were what we were doing, we would have gone after you for killing Reenk Roink earlier. We would have lynched you for being even remotely uncooperative. This isn't about fault or blame.

This is about making sure we know who you are going to kill so we can spare the pro-villain roles before it is too late. You didn't cooperate, as such you're as much a threat to us as any "hero". You've killed far more valuable people than they have. This isn't about anger or revenge or spite or even punishment. This is about ensuring the people we are working with are willing to cooperate. You aren't.

I defended you all up and down at great risk to my own credibility, without knowing your alignment. I wasted a defender on you, we wasted a lynch protecting you. Now, you've shown me, perhaps others, that you're not willing to follow direction or at least inform us of your kills promptly, when you send them. As such, you're a continued danger to the town, and by the authority vested in me by the people who actually want to use their pro-villain abilities without being taken out by a vigilante or a serial killer or a "hero", I smite you with a Thwomp to the head. That's my judgment but fortunately for you, I don't have any control over anything besides my own vote, and I gave you a chance to defend yourself.

Nothing personal, it's just business.

-Bowser

[Splitpersonality]

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Nothing personal, it's just business.

-Bowser

Don't you know that killing is his business?

and business is good...

[seireikhaan]

1. You did what you wanted, with disastrous consequences.
2. Whose fault is it? You made the choice. I gave you safe kills. I could NOT reveal who was pro-town. And by the way I still had to do so when you made the choice to kill beefy. But you decided to wait until heck froze over to let me know who you were killing. Again, your choice.

You won't budge, fine. It's just a fact, I did everything I could have done, safely, to prevent this. You decided on your own to not tell me who you were going to kill until it was way too late (why? This is the interesting part. You never explained why, if you trust me to defend you all game, in thread, out of thread, with power roles and defenders, not waste an investigation on you... even get into a fight with Sasaki trying to save you from death... you decided not to tell me who you were going to kill. You delayed intentionally, for no reason at all.)

Bottom line, you don't want to say it's your fault, and this isn't about assigning fault. If that were what we were doing, we would have gone after you for killing Reenk Roink earlier. We would have lynched you for being even remotely uncooperative. This isn't about fault or blame.

This is about making sure we know who you are going to kill so we can spare the pro-villain roles before it is too late. You didn't cooperate, as such you're as much a threat to us as any "hero". You've killed far more valuable people than they have. This isn't about anger or revenge or spite or even punishment. This is about ensuring the people we are working with are willing to cooperate. You aren't.

I defended you all up and down at great risk to my own credibility, without knowing your alignment. I wasted a defender on you, we wasted a lynch protecting you. Now, you've shown me, perhaps others, that you're not willing to follow direction or at least inform us of your kills promptly, when you send them. As such, you're a continued danger to the town, and by the authority vested in me by the people who actually want to use their pro-villain abilities without being taken out by a vigilante or a serial killer or a "hero", I smite you with a Thwomp to the head. That's my judgment but fortunately for you, I don't have any control over anything besides my own vote, and I have you a chance to defend yourself.

Nothing personal, it's just business.

-Bowser

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1. If its not about whose fault it is, then please stop ranting about me owning up.

2. You wanted me to kill people I thought were not scummy. Two people is simply NOT a list to work with. I need more options than that. Surely there were more "safe kills"(not pro-town roles) than that.

3. Why did I wait? Because I'm taking 18 hours in College, its finals approaching hard and fast, I have a speech tomorrow and I'm fretting over trying to get a decent summer job. I slept 12 hours yesterday because I'm wasted tired. It honestly didn't even occur to me until today that I should probably check with you, and that's what I did when I some decent time after my last class. So, my bad.

I'm gonna leave before I say something I shouldn't...