The Council of Villains- Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

Truthfully, I would prefer that I get replacements who weren't in the game prior to their sub-in. Failing that, because it's unlikely, I would prefer that town roles replace the players in need of replacement, for obvious reasons. Having a mafia or SK role as the previous role before a replacement could, understandably, affect the player's actions in the new role.

That said, I will consider both you, AVSM, and Greyblades as well, as last resorts should I not find anyone else to replace roles.

[Sernoserbo]

I apologize for absence Vote: QJC, if applicable

[Askthepizzaguy]

I apologize for absence Vote: QJC, if applicable

Showing up just before you get WOG'ed after so many days of being absent...

I'll smash you later, plumber.

[PershsNhpios]

Well, I am King Dedede.

And just as my last role, I am a townie/villain.

I am not seeking revenge on Bowser, because technically I am an entirely different player now, albeit with the same objectives.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Last I heard you were under mind control, "King" Dedede. Are you fully recovered now?

Koopa Claw of Suspicion: Glenn

[PershsNhpios]

Mind control?
No, that was Mariokarters, I am Glenn; and in taking on the new role I crowned myself King under the old name 'Dedede'.

I would like to comment on another nasty device causing more damage than mind control however;

LURKING

It is a filthy habit and destroys perfectly enjoyable games.
Do not vote if you cannot make the commitment to determine whether it is currently day or night phase.

[Olavi]

I'll say it here too. I can't post rest of today and tomorrow but be back Wednesday evening with RL issues solved and time to play mafia.

[Chaotix]

Sernoserbo, BlackReaper, and llf829 are going to have to post, contribute, and vote in a valid manner if they don't want to be replaced or WoG'd. Olavi is excused for now... thanks for notifying me.

[Paradox]

WOG'em all.

Also, I don't think we should target QJC just yet, the heroes probably have no special abilities.

This is Cackletta, refusing orders from the Koopa Troop and its weak leader, Eeeyah hah haha hah!!!!!

[LittleGrizzly]

FOS:EVERYONE VOTING FOR QJC


Filthy mafia scumbags, hiding behind a silly "oh we'll trust atpg I guess" excuse. Mafia all of them.

You know you are making alot of sense here... the mafia is a huge gang, the head of which is bowser who is unlynbchable and unkillable...

You see when Chaotix made the game he decided he wanted to see a superpowerful mafia team just own the opposition... theres like 6 of us... if you include khaan who went for me for retaliation instead.. but is definetly with ATPG

SCUMMY SCUMMY. If qjc is innocent it's not your fault it's pizza's huh?

Yeah... Im not the one who asked people to take it on trust that QJC is guilty...

Compare to earlier:

He had provided absolutely nothing (maybe apart form that character description) but on the other hand... the person i was going to go for did provide a good reason not to vote for him...

And part of my reservation about voting with pizzaguy was because i really wasn't sure about 'khaan

and also that was mainly some in character role playing some light insults onto pizza... like fat green blob and oversized turtle...

unvote:LG
Vote:khaan

I declare war on the "Pooper scooper troop" as of now...

well seen as ATPG is almost a gaurenteed innocent and 'khaan seems to have some good points in his favour i consider this a suspicious move from you! rather than go for me who you suspect you go for 'khaan just because you can't get your own way...

im not sure if this is bad townie play or mafia play

but at the very least you deserve

FoS Sasaki

Now, can someone explain why we are trying to lynch someone who ISN'T a hero and hasn't shown any kill ability?

TBH if you have mind control ability you don't need to kill anyone...

Our priority is to lynch the hero's, so stop the cowardly bandwaggoning on zero evidence.

Someone could say exactly the same thing to you... especially now you dropped the case against me and joined a few people who were voting for 'khaan

LG should be lynched for his waffling, timidity, and contradiction.

Waffling.. i had been up for over 24 hours when i was posting last night (mentioned that somewhere in the frontroom) if you go into the backroom, one or two topics in the frontroom, look at this and simpsons game in the gameroom and then finally check out swords in the moon as well...

I was wafflin everywhere... when i haven't slept in a while i tend to be more talkative... or typeative..

Timidity... look through any game i have played... there is usually one point where i really struggle to make a decision... it is obviously alot easier for you mafia as you know your getting a townie but us innocents don't know if we may be lynching the wrong person... so we tend to be more careful about it...

Look through my past games... pay paticular attention to midgaard, im usually struggling to make decisions... i did find it alot easier in midgaard though because i was mafia!

Contradiction... thats a flat out lie!!

though i guess i kind of did with my roleplaying insult of ATPG being clueless whereas i said in this post he had provided the charater description as evidence...

But seen as you can't see into the future your accusation that i contradicted myself is a lie!

Guys i think we should put a little faith in 'khaan and pizza... if they don't start delivering mafia soon i will help you lynch khaan...

[Greyblades]

khaan seems to have some good points in his favour
What points?

[LittleGrizzly]

Well mainly that he is mentioned in the kills....

also he is working with ATPG... who is all but decalred innocent...

and lastly i have heard a few say he kills under order only! if he doesn't do what ATPG's gang wants he will be lynched...

[seireikhaan]

EDIT:

OOC: This is a very good example of why its good to use the quote system, LG, so we can avoid confusion. Your "quote" of sasaki makes it look like you switched your vote to me.

[shlin28]

Pah, organised groups of villains always fail - when have they taken over a world and ruled it with iron fists?

Individual villains FTW!!! They have masterminded the fall of many a hero, led the downfall of a thousand empires, and still have time to go into other universes and kill more heroes

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I would keep my vote on the giant green turtle who has been repeatedly beaten by questionably dressed Italian plumbers, but that would mean I would be associated with Sasaki - meaning that I'll probably be accused and offed in the next day... so I am going to...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

keep my vote on ATPG - I don't buy the whole "I was attacked by a half-trained vigilante and so I am completely innocent" arguement.

[Quintus.JC]

Had all the people who voted for me actually read ATPG's initial reasons for voting for me? or did they all just vote and say 'I trust ATPG's judgement for now.'

This was his original post containing his faint suspcision against me:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Giygas (ギーグ ,Gīgu?, Gyiyg in the Japanese version) returns from Mother as the game's main antagonist. He uses his powerful influence over the evil in peoples' hearts to control them, and commands an army consisting of a bizarre variety of aliens, robots, and animals to prevent Ness from uniting his powers at the eight sanctuaries. His goal is to conquer the Earth and, ultimately, destroy the universe.

Quintus.JC has claimed Giygas.


FOS: QJC

Vote: QJC


DIE, PLUMBER LOVER!!!

Yes I do claim to be Giygas, I've never heard of him before. And to be honest I'd rather have no ability at all then having my Anti-Vote ability, its really irregular and a bit useless.

Look at APTG's post again and ask yourself, what reason had he supplied to you that convinced you to lynch Quintus.JC?

I trust ATPG to be a townie, and I trust that he has town's best interest at heart. He might be a confirmed town, but that does NOT make him correct every time. He is perfectly capable of making mistakes just as the rest of you, following with the right reasons is fair enough, but following him blindly and lynching somebody just because he said so really isn't the way to go.

So I have anti-voted myself, but I don't see much wrong with self-preservation. ATPG is right that I don't have any particular power that's worth saving or for Sasaki to vigioursly defend me with. But in the end, I know I'm town, and if I live then that's one more townie that the mafia has to deal with. So excuse me for trying to save my own ass, but in order to achieve a town victory, you need to eliminate all the mafia and SKs, not any innocent townie.

[White_eyes:D]

Had all the people who voted for me actually read ATPG's initial reasons for voting for me? or did they all just vote and say 'I trust ATPG's judgement for now.'

This was his original post containing his faint suspcision against me:



Yes I do claim to be Giygas, I've never heard of him before. And to be honest I'd rather have no ability at all then having my Anti-Vote ability, its really irregular and a bit useless.

Look at APTG's post again and ask yourself, what reason had he supplied to you that convinced you to lynch Quintus.JC?

I trust ATPG to be a townie, and I trust that he has town's best interest at heart. He might be a confirmed town, but that does NOT make him correct every time. He is perfectly capable of making mistakes just as the rest of you, following with the right reasons is fair enough, but following him blindly and lynching somebody just because he said so really isn't the way to go.

So I have anti-voted myself, but I don't see much wrong with self-preservation. ATPG is right that I don't have any particular power that's worth saving or for Sasaki to vigioursly defend me with. But in the end, I know I'm town, and if I live then that's one more townie that the mafia has to deal with. So excuse me for trying to save my own ass, but in order to achieve a town victory, you need to eliminate all the mafia and SKs, not any innocent townie.

Lynch him....he is an uncontrollable SK....(Like Khaan but this guy is going for a solo victory)
I played the game and at the end....Giygas is an uncontrollable evil that is SO powerful....it can cross time and infect people

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Khaan...if you kill LG tonight I'll vote for who you say the rest of the game, even if you turn against the villains.

[LittleGrizzly]

'khaan good point... it looks a bit confusing, im a quick reply addict thats a bit lazy so i probably wont start quoting instead (i also misspell quote quite often...)

Unvote
Vote QJC

QJC, he supplied you character description which does mention mind control...

other than that yes i guess i am kind of blindly following him... i know he is working with detectives and other pro town roles though... so he could be working off more...

Although in fairness the top suspects (or vote getters) apart from you are 'khaan who has some good points about his innocence... and me who im not going to vote for...

Also if i retracted my vote on you it would increase the chance of 'khaan being lynched... so... im sorry but my vote stays...

There is nothing wrong with self preservation... unless you really believe yourself to be up against a pro town role self preservation is the right move as townie... so im not condemning you because of that...

Edit: what sasaki no response ? you realised how weak your case is ? is that why you want the vig to kill me off instead ?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Edit: what sasaki no response ? you realised how weak your case is ? is that why you want the vig to kill me off instead ?

If people are paying attention they don't need a response...they can see how scummy you are just by reading your posts...you love to argue anyway. Given the carelessness which QJC has been bandwagoned (for alleged "mind control powers" NOT being a hero and NOT killing anyone) I don't think it would do any good anyway.

[Csargo]

Unvote:, Vote: Sasaki

[LittleGrizzly]

If people are paying attention they don't need a response...they can see how scummy you are just by reading your posts...

Thats funny... i would say the opposite...

you love to argue anyway

Now that i can't argue with, which is kind of ironic...

Given the carelessness which QJC has been bandwagoned (for alleged "mind control powers" NOT being a hero and NOT killing anyone)

Well if you can mind control you don't need killing abilites... and we have had some mind controlled kills... haven't we ?

TBH i think you want to do this because of the weakness of your case, as in inishmore your case is weak and you have nothing to support it... and that is why you refuse to try and support my case and try to cut a deal instead...

Infact you cutting the deal is merely you trying to save your own bacon... ATPG contacted me about your betrayal and now you are trying to backtrack and put yourself back into the 'koopa troop' whats wrong sasaki... worried about death ?

[Quintus.JC]

other than that yes i guess i am kind of blindly following him... i know he is working with detectives and other pro town roles though... so he could be working off more...

He is working with other detectives, or at least so he says. When he started the bandwaggon on AVSM he mentioned detectives and investigation results, and in the end, it appears that he was right. AVSM now is all but confirmed to be a serial killer, and probably doesn’t harbour much love for us villains. But, did ATPG mentioned anything remotely related to a detective investigation on me? Right now the only reason he has got any reason to go after me is centre around my alleged mind-control trait in wiki. If he reads all the character description about all the roles in this game he’ll probably get at least 10 of them with such a trait, so I say he’s case against me is extremely faint. What’s worse is the amount of people that just went with what he said, without any justification for their votes. Last time AVSM was lynched because he was alleged to have been investigated with a guilty result, so townies can justify by that. But this time I’m about to get lynched for no apparent reason about from my ‘mind-control’ trait, I do not relish getting lynched at all. If you want a compromise then I suggest you let me live past this round, and let ATPG and his network of investigators to check me out before the night ends, you’ll get a guarantee innocent townie result in no time.

[LittleGrizzly]

If he reads all the character description about all the roles in this game he’ll probably get at least 10 of them with such a trait,

well my charcter mentions nothing about mind control... Seph ('khaan) i doubt would have anything mentioned about mind control... bowser either... if you could maybe provide one or two charachters in the game that have mind controlled mentioned in thier descriptions you have a point... that combined with Pizza yet to tell me whether your attempted lynching is anything to do with pro town roles or not does mean my suspicion of you isn't to strong...

I feel your pain though... Pizza suspects me because of my wiki description...

The other thing is after you the other 2 lynch options seem to be me and khaan...

I don't want to lynch myself obviously, 'khaan made some good points in his defence and everyone keeps telling me he's working under orders and they will lynch him if he doesn't...

If you can find another character or 2 which also has mind control abilites mentioned in thier wiki description and assumign atpg doesn't tell me that pro town roles got information to suspect you im willing to withdraw my vote...

Ill have a little look for charcter decriptions as well see if i find anything in your favour...

About your point about the detectives... its all very well and im sure all of us would like the chance to get investigated but investigators can only investigate so much... and unless we get incredibly lucky were going to have to lynch someone without investigation results...

[Quintus.JC]

If he reads all the character description about all the roles in this game he’ll probably get at least 10 of them with such a trait,

On retrospect, that claim was exaggrated. I simply said that without thinking.

The other thing is after you the other 2 lynch options seem to be me and khaan...

I don't want to lynch myself obviously, 'khaan made some good points in his defence and everyone keeps telling me he's working under orders and they will lynch him if he doesn't...

Obvious you can't vote for yourself, nothing is ever wrong with self-preservation. Unless the other person who could be lynched claims to have a very useful pro-town role. In my case, my ability is not a very useful pro-town role, but I must still maintain my innocence.

If you can find another character or 2 which also has mind control abilites mentioned in thier wiki description and assumign atpg doesn't tell me that pro town roles got information to suspect you im willing to withdraw my vote...

Frankly I don't really have the time to do that, got all my GCSE exams coming next month...

Ill have a little look for charcter decriptions as well see if i find anything in your favour...

Thanks

About your point about the detectives... its all very well and im sure all of us would like the chance to get investigated but investigators can only investigate so much... and unless we get incredibly lucky were going to have to lynch someone without investigation results...

I acknowledge that, but I'm not going to sit there and accept my fate, especially when town is making the wrong choice.

[Splitpersonality]

This has become quite the perplexing discussion.

Paranoia setting in, and I don't know whether we need more townies to help us, or whether or not we should be doing away with even mildly suspicious people...

Hmm...

For now
Unvote

At least until I can get my head around these arguments and to read some wikis for myself...

[LittleGrizzly]

Well seems you statement may not have been imagined as you think....

I used Chaotix's list and checked out the first 4 after bowser and wario...

The playable protagonists in the game are Mario and Luigi. Superstar Saga deviates from the series' tradition in that Bowser is not the central antagonist, but the Beanish witch Cackletta is.[10] Despite aiding the protagonists during a period of the game, Bowser's body becomes possessed by the consciousness of Cackletta to form the creature Bowletta.

Meanwhile, Bowser gets an item called a "Lucky Mushroom. In realty though, it is actually a "Vacuum Mushroom", which is a trap set by Fawful. It allows him to control Bowser's actions, and gives Bowser the ability to inhale everything. Bowser goes to Peach's meeting and inhales everyone there. While gloating about his victory, he mysteriously falls unconscious, and Fawful appears.

Also when reading that it occured to me that ATPG, Bowser could also be controlled himself... though in fairness ATPG has made me an offer to disprove this..

But back to QJC it does appear quite a few other characters whilst not having mind control could very well have the ability to control other characters....

Unvote
Vote Abstain

Im not voting for 'khaan or myself either... not sure who else i should vote for... sasaki for retaliation* ?

*as in vote for him for my own retaliation rather than vote for him becayuse he retaliated...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote
Vote Abstain

Im not voting for 'khaan or myself either... not sure who else i should vote for...

Perhaps you could make a case of your own...like how I did...though it would be ironic because after making it you'd have to be suspicious of yourself

[LittleGrizzly]

Perhaps you could make a case of your own...like how I did

So you want me to lazily pick out an innocent player because they talk to much and add a few lies about them ?

ok here we go

Pizza... he is talking alot... he's claimed the charater sonic...

your right that was really easy to do... much easier than trying to choose between real suspects!!

though it would be ironic because after making it you'd have to be suspicious of yourself

With your implication there you would think that i was suspicious of ATPG becase he made a case against QJC, but i am not, you would think i was suspicious of the person who made a case against 'khaan, but i am not...

In other words some more lies to add to your badly built case against me...

[Diana Abnoba]

Well you puny ones if you want other choices to pick from, here are some that I also find suspect:

1. El Diablo only has 4 post all game (trying to keep hiden?) and out of that only 1 vote post,and 1 was to say he was in.

2.Olavi only has 11 post of which only 1 is vote.

3.Gobbledygook only has 8 posts and claims to be Cackletta.

4.Navarro only has 3 post and only 1 vote post, and claims to be Arbiter.


You can pick one of these puny losers or do some of the work yourself to find others.


RRROOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR

[navarro951]

its been tough to keep up, its my first game plus Simpsons, plus i Gamemaster BtSH. im still getting the gist of things.