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    Quick question, how come the Parthians are called Pahlava? I thought that was what the Indians called them and that they called themselves Parthava?

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    Marzbân-î Jundîshâpûr Member The Persian Cataphract's Avatar
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    The issues with the nomenclature stretches back into the mod's beginnings; they are called Pahlava because it is derived from Middle Persian geographical designations. I argue however that it would have been more prudent to give them their dynastic name, that of the Arsacids, or even the name of their tribe, that of the Sparnii/Sparnioi/Sparnig or that of Parnii/Parnioi/Parnig. The Indians indeed did call them Pahlavas, which obviously is derived from an Iranic cognate.

    Parthava is the Old Persian name for the satrapy of Parthia, which really isn't what we are portraying; we are trying to project the lineage of Arsaces, and the journey of actually creating an Arsacid empire. It just so happened that the Arsacids decided to use Parthia proper as their base of power and thence became a "Parthian" empire. It was in all effects a projected Iranian empire.

    I believe however, if I'm not all wrong, that name changes are possible to commit to a faction during mid-game, so there are a lot of possibilities available.


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    Cool, thanks for the clarification

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    Xsaçapāvan é Skudra Member Atraphoenix's Avatar
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    I am happy with that but instead of region names they would be called as "Askhanians" or something like that. on wiki
    (Persian: اشکانیان [Ashkanian]) . I find it illogical when you capture Bactria Bactrians still have same name. so Instead of Regional names I would like to see full state names like S.P.Q.R. or Hegemon/Basileon ton Ptolemaoi etc. sorry my bad translation I have no idea on greek
    Current usage OK but mostly after conquests they lose their heartland like Epirot wiped out all Makedonian Inland Territory they are waiting their fate in Mythilene in my last camp. there should be a change but impossible to change nation name via scripting methinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atraphoenix View Post
    Current usage OK but mostly after conquests they lose their heartland like Epirot wiped out all Makedonian Inland Territory they are waiting their fate in Mythilene in my last camp. there should be a change but impossible to change nation name via scripting methinks.
    The Kingdoms mod Dominion of the Sword seems to have done something like that. I don't think they were able to actually change the name, but if certain requirements were met, the faction would "transform" into another, like if Aragon conquered all of Spain they would "become" Spain or something like that. I think the banners, faction colors, units, building infastructure, and other things change, but the name doesn't. So it would be cool if EB did something like this too.

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    In M2TW it is possible to change the name/color/symbols/etc of a faction. However, IIRC this requires the use of an additional faction slot which the EB team does not wish to waste.


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