Greek Titles

[Maion Maroneios]

and i hope you don't mind if i bounce ideas for titles of you during the aar, although that shouldn't happen often, that thread was pure gold.

cheers

Certainly, I'll be open to questions. I'm helping Centurio with his Anabaseis, I can help you anytime as well.

Sophos Diodotos Baktrios - Wise Diodotos the Bactrian (or from Bactra, not sure)
Diodotos Sophos Baktrios - Diodotos the Wise Bactrian (or from Bactra, not sure)
Sophos Diodotos - Wise Diodotos
Diodotos Sophos - Diodotos the Wise

See the quoted part for all the literal translations. Don't they make the exact same meaning? It really doesn't matter how you use it. Now, a more frequent way of saying, would be: Diodotos Sophos or Diodotos Sophos Baktrios.

To further understand this concept, you must understand that epithets were used for Hellenistic rulers in order to define them from others, in the same way we officially call Alexander the Great Alexander III, because he was the 3rd Macedonian King with the name "Alexander". The Hellenes, not favouring numbers, used epithets. So if you were talking about "Megas Alexandros" back that time, everyone (literally in this case) would know who you were talking about.

Answering your other questions now, first of all it goes more or less the same for the rest of the titles. It depends really, so feel free to ask if not sure. As for the reference to them, they would probably be called by their titles, so if say (your) Diodotos is Basileus and defeated the Parthians, he would formally be addressed or referenced as: Basileus Diodotos Baktrios "Nikesas Parthon", "bla bla bla". The "bla bla bla" part is the part were all his given titles are referenced. The most important one, the "Basileus" part, goes first. So basically he wouldn't be referenced by his epithets, only titles. And "Sophos" is an epithet, not a title. The reason why their epithets weren't referenced, us because sometimes they were not exactly good for their prestige, like "Monophthalmos" (The One-Eyed), "Epimanes" (The Mad) etc. How would you feel as Basileus to be referenced by your defections?

Epithets, thus, were only used to distinguish rulers after their deaths, not during. Formally, at least. Everyday people could probably use their epithets as well, be that for praising him or making fun of him

Maion

[miotas]

So these epithets are more informal, whereas the titles would be used in more formal situations like talking to other nations?

I remember in my last game one of my FM's got a trait called indophonos(not sure on the spelling) something to do with beating the Indians in battle, would this have been the kind of thing used as a title? If so I will rely on eb for my titles and just give them epithets, for something extra.

Cheers

[Maion Maroneios]

So these epithets are more informal, whereas the titles would be used in more formal situations like talking to other nations?

Exactly, you got the point.

I remember in my last game one of my FM's got a trait called indophonos(not sure on the spelling) something to do with beating the Indians in battle, would this have been the kind of thing used as a title? If so I will rely on eb for my titles and just give them epithets, for something extra

Indoktonos, or phonos, means "Killer", so it means "The Killer of Indians". And this could be used as a title. Not wise though, especially for the local population. Imagine yourself being ruled by Americans (not that we all aren't) and have a ruler appointed as your High Master or something, who also happens to be called "The Killer of Australians". Not exactly nice, right?

Maion

[miotas]

Indoktonos, or phonos, means "Killer", so it means "The Killer of Indians". And this could be used as a title. Not wise though, especially for the local population. Imagine yourself being ruled by Americans (not that we all aren't) and have a ruler appointed as your High Mater or something, who also happens to be called "The Killer of Australians". Not exactly nice, right?

lol. High Mater?

OK thanks for the advice.

[Maion Maroneios]

Damn. Corrected thanks. It seems Physics is getting more and more involved with my thoughts lately In other words, that's what happens if you study Physics 'till 2-3a.m. in the morning...

EDIT: LOL, I saw the "funnier" part. I made the link with "matter", then realized it sounds more like "mater" from "mate" Makes more sense than the first though

Maion