Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
Just like CR said, you are making stuff up and putting words in my and CR's mouth. When have I mentioned not letting Iran have nukes? When have I even talked about Iran? Never. Thanks for saying I want genocide, you obviously are running out of arguments and now you are just trying to portray me as some promoter of violence.
Well, you're right about the Iran argument but you probably missed the uhm, sarcasm.
The Iran argument I drew from the fact that at least Cr and probably you are american and you Americans in general seem to have a problem with Iran having nukes. couple that with the fact that when your president bows to a king it means all of america bows so when your predsident is against iranian nukes I can assume so are you....
Well, and then CR said if you are not free you do not live, you defended that argument so I guess you agree with it. I combined it all to make some really outrageous argument and put in the word genocide just to be sure you would respond to it.
I still haven't seen any substantial proof that slaves were undead or anything like that so my point stands that CR's argument that when you are not free you do not live is just propaganda and rhetoric.
And I also maintain that there is not just black and white when it comes to freedom but there are shades of grey, there are quite a few countries where not everyone is allowed to have guns and we are neither undead zombies nor slaves of our governments and certainly not both.

Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
Guns provide the freedom of having your government respect you and leaving you alone. This has been said a thousand times already, if there is no guns among the citizens, there really is nothing to stop the government from doing whatever they want.
It has also been said a thousand times already that your guns won't stop the government's tanks from doing whatever they want, neither will they stop your government's nukes or bombers etc.
there are also enough countries without gun toting populations where the government respects it's citizens, just like there are countries where the government suppresses all the guys with guns or even worse, countries where all the guys with guns constantly fight over who is the government.