Just how messed up is Israel?

[Hax]

Well, I guess I did invoke Godwin's law.

lmao, first of all, I hope you are not referring to the religion of islam as a race, because that would not be very intelligent.

Sure dude. Shall I tell you something? Yesterday a guy asked me when I said when I was half Arabic whether I was "half Muslim". Of course this does not exist. However, I'm refering the racial inequality concerning the Jewish people which are regarded as deserving a free state more than others.

I'm sorry, but this is a really, really wrong of you. Do you have any idea what Hitler's victims suffered? Do you have any idea of the magnitude of destruction or ungodly bounds of human misery suffered under Hitler? How can you even say something like that? I really hope that you are not serious, and still think that it is in very poor taste...

I'm most certainly aware of the horrors in World War II, and I do admit that the situation in Israel is not half as bad as the situation was in Nazi Germany; however, I do wish to state that racial inequality is never acceptable.

Second of all, by him honoring a military alliance between two countries he is connected too, how does that "advocate racial inequality in the Middle East."? Would you say the same about someone who had a palestinian soldeir firing a weapon in their signature?

Well, I think it's impossible to deny that Israel does like to bomb Palestinian people. I think honouring military alliances is wrong, yes.

Would you say the same about someone who had a palestinian soldeir firing a weapon in their signature?

Yes.

Also, have you ever considered the point that people might be slightly offended by hooahguy's signature. I am neither pro-Israel nor pro-Palestine, but from what I have seen the Palestinians are in a worse situation than the Israelis.

[Megas Methuselah]

Also, have you ever considered the point that people might be slightly offended by hooahguy's signature.

To be honest, I'm surprised by how long it actually took someone to finally point this out. The sig does tend to raise eyebrows, after all...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

In all fairness to Karl as well a sig like that is normally only going to be viewed in one way..

Your signature has a man with a vulture on his head. You must endorse eating rotting corpses, right?

Well, I think it's impossible to deny that Israel does like to bomb Palestinian people.

Israel enjoys bombing Palestinians?

I think honouring military alliances is wrong, yes.

Nothing to say but:

Also, have you ever considered the point that people might be slightly offended by hooahguy's signature.

If you're offended by two soldiers and two flags, you really have to pick your battles.

I am neither pro-Israel nor pro-Palestine

Sure...

[Hax]

Israel enjoys bombing Palestinians?

Well sure, look at the random bombing of non-military targets during the Gaza war.

Nothing to say but:

Then I have nothing to say in return. To each his own opinion.

If you're offended by two soldiers and two flags, you really have to pick your battles.

Once again; to each his own

Sure...

Well, I'm not asking you to believe me. Look at is this way; what I want is a dual-states solution in Israel/Palestine. At this moment however, the Palestinians clearly have a disadvantage, which I deem unfair.

To be honest, I'm surprised by how long it actually took someone to finally point this out. The sig does tend to raise eyebrows, after all...

I would also like the see the responses if I should take a signature picture which has a Hamas soldier with a Palestinian flag in the background.

[Megas Methuselah]

I would also like the see the responses if I should take a signature picture which has a Hamas soldier with a Palestinian flag in the background.

Exactly.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Well sure, look at the random bombing of non-military targets during the Gaza war.

I'll let someone else rip this apart...

Then I have nothing to say in return. To each his own opinion.

If you can't honour a military alliance you may as well not have any at all.

I would also like the see the responses if I should take a signature picture which has a Hamas soldier with a Palestinian flag in the background.

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by a huge variety of nations, and should be treated as such by Orgahs if it was displayed in a signature. If you want a Palestinian flag, so be it, that is no different than having any other flag in your signature.

[Hax]

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by a huge variety of nations, and should be treated as such by Orgahs if it was displayed in a signature. If you want a Palestinian flag, so be it, that is no different than having any other flag in your signature.

Oh yes, and all of Israels actions were perfectly legit by all standards in the past.

I'll let someone else rip this apart...

Interesting, I just saw a Dutch documentary which showed a spring that had been completely blown to pieces by the Israelis. That spring irrigated 5 fields. Is Hamas now using the earth against Israel? How about the destruction of the planned harbour of Gaza?

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Oh yes, and all of Israels actions were perfectly legit by all standards in the past.

Of course they weren't. There is not a country in the world, from Liechtenstein to the United States, that can claim to be perfectly legitimate. However, there is a difference between a legitimate state and a terrorist organization.

When even the EU calls Hamas terrorists, you can be pretty sure that they are.

Interesting, I just saw a Dutch documentary which showed a spring that had been completely blown to pieces by the Israelis. That spring irrigated 5 fields.

I have not seen the documentary in question, and as a result I do not know why the spring was bombed, where it was located, when it was bombed, or who was using it. I could also not identify the spin in the documentary. Regardless, you can be sure that Israel did not bomb it for fun. Bombs cost too much money to do that.

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

Every state has problems, and Israel certainly does as well, but to say that it is "messed up", which is apparently proven by the fact that we are "having these discussions" is silly. If Israel was "messed up", and that was proven, then there wouldn't be two sides to these arguments.

[Pannonian]

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

By Middle East standards, Israel is as westernised as they get. By western standards, Israel is an alien country. It depends on what standards one judges Israel by. Probably as good an ally as one can find in the region for our interests, but certainly not something to model a western country on.

[tibilicus]

Your signature has a man with a vulture on his head. You must endorse eating rotting corpses, right?

No, because my signature isn't related to war and isn't suggestive that im a fan of or down with the Israeli/American military. Nor does it suggest that I support their actions. That's a poor comparison you made. I'm disappointed..

And if that sigs ok with you then I guess it's ok if I change my sig image to this. http://themustardseed.files.wordpres...as_war0402.jpg

I have another one with some civilians in a cross hair but apparently the Israeli military stole it for their new t.shirts..





Anyway back on topic, as I said earlier I have no problem with hooahguys sig, but I can see why some people might. If you can't see why some people find it offensive then it's your failure to see that. Now, as I mentioned, I don't find it offensive, I'm simply stating why some people would find it offensive, clear?

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

No, because my signature isn't related to war and isn't suggestive that im a fan with the Israeli/American military nor that I support their actions. Nor does it suggest where my political views are coming from. I though you were a clever man, you surprise me...

So only things that are related to war are bad? Being a fan of the IDF or US Army is a bad thing? Really? I find it offensive that you endorse the consumption of carrion, but hey, if it isn't related to war, that must be alright.

And if that sigs ok with you then I guess it's ok if I change my sig image to this. http://themustardseed.files.wordpres...as_war0402.jpg

I have explained the difference.

Your a man of freedom and all that so that's cool right?

It is perfectly OK for you to have it, but you will receive criticism and you will deserve it more than hooah.

[tibilicus]

It is perfectly OK for you to have it, but you will receive criticism and you will deserve it more than hooah.

Oh really? Surley that depends what view point you perceive it from? As you said about the Israeli/American sig is it not ok to be a fan of hamas?

Also I never said I'm going to put that in my sig, I never would, just wondering how you would feel if I did. I'm assuming though that as you don't find images of war offensive it's ok. And yet you can't understand why people do find such images offensive?

Hmmm...

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Oh really? Surley that depends what view point you perceive it from? As you said about the Israeli/American sig is it not ok to be a fan of hamas?

Hamas = Terrorist Organization
America =/= Terrorist Organization

Simple.