Are There Innate Rights?

[Yoyoma1910]

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You have whatever rights you are willing to die for. If you're not willing to die for it, it is merely a privilege.

[Furunculus]

i do not believe in inalienable human rights in the UK.

they interfere too much with a far more important concept called justice.

should a serial violent offender be allowed to own arms - no
should a people have a right to revoke another members life - yes

i can see that its a useful concept in those countries where excitable people run around with machetes, or machine-gun civilians into trenches, but it causes more problems than it solves in the UK.

[Yoyoma1910]

i do not believe in inalienable human rights in the UK.

they interfere too much with a far more important concept called justice.

should a serial violent offender be allowed to own arms - no
should a people have a right to revoke another members life - yes

i can see that its a useful concept in those countries where excitable people run around with machetes, or machine-gun civilians into trenches, but it causes more problems than it solves in the UK.

That's why you're still British.

[Strike For The South]

There are no innate rights. They must be constantly fought for and protected

[Rhyfelwyr]

Innate rights don't exist, but its practical for different cultures to form their own ideas of 'human rights' to ensure people get a decent quality of life. They are guidelines, and breaking them isn't the end of the world.

[Furunculus]

Innate rights don't exist, but its practical for different cultures to form their own ideas of 'human rights' to ensure people get a decent quality of life.

They are guidelines, and breaking them isn't the end of the world.

doesn't that go rather against the grain of the concept of inalienable human rights as enshrined in law across the world?

i think rights should be guidelines too, to be judged through the prism of justice, as judged by the people.

[Rhyfelwyr]

doesn't that go rather against the grain of the concept of inalienable human rights as enshrined in law across the world?

i think rights should be guidelines too, to be judged through the prism of justice, as judged by the people.

Yes, there's no such thing as inalienable human rights. But generally speaking, its good for people to have rights which are treated like guidelines. However, when they become absolute, things start to get a bit silly.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

An extremely difficult question to answer, but I am inclined to agree with this to a certain extent:

There are no innate rights. They must be constantly fought for and protected

[rory_20_uk]

No. All rights are earnt, and therefore can be lost.

[Kralizec]

The thing is that right you have is not: liberty. It is: Liberty as you have been lawful and not infringed on other people's rights. While it of course was not worded that way, if you pay attention to the founder's wording, they make it clear that the rights are not meant for breaking the law and infringing on other's rights. They are for the lawful. A criminal still keeps his right to: Liberty as you have been lawful and not infringed on other people's rights, but it just does not apply to him.

So:
1) everyone has unalienable rights
2) to some the above does not apply?


As for my view:
Freedom, rights etc. are products of civilization and therefore can't be innate or unalienable.

[Furunculus]

not very logical, lol.

[Strike For The South]

If someone wants to take away your rights they can. It happens everyday. You're rights are only there if you can defend them.

The DOI is a great document but means nothing if we can't put our money where our mouth is.

[CountArach]

There are innalienable human rights, such as a right to live. There are also innate rights that are largely innalienable.

[Yoyoma1910]

Handguns are use in some forms of hunting, such as Alligator.

[Strike For The South]

Handguns are use in some forms of hunting, such as Alligator.

Yup, there're also good for killing bears.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I use handguns to type my name into the side of people's houses and cars. I think it's a form of artistic expression.

[Strike For The South]

I use handguns to type my name into the side of people's houses and cars. I think it's a form of artistic expression.

Considering alligator hunting and having to defend yourself from bears/cougars in the Texas mountains isn't all that uncommon, I fail to see your point.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Considering alligator hunting and having to defend yourself from bears/cougars in the Texas mountains isn't all that uncommon, I fail to see your point.

My point is simply.... THIS!!!!

*runs away*

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