If someone wants to take away your rights they can. It happens everyday. You're rights are only there if you can defend them.
The DOI is a great document but means nothing if we can't put our money where our mouth is.
Re: Are There Innate Rights?
If someone wants to take away your rights they can. It happens everyday. You're rights are only there if you can defend them.
The DOI is a great document but means nothing if we can't put our money where our mouth is.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Are There Innate Rights?
You have an innate right not to have aggression carried out against you. This right does not disappear if someone overpowers you - it is merely infringed upon.
Re: Are There Innate Rights?
This is true in a sense, and it's certainly important to protect our rights. But I think you're misusing the word "rights". The slaves in the south had the right to freedom, even if they didn't possess freedom itself. Having the right to something and having it are two different things.Originally Posted by Strike For The South
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See that's where I get lost. The slaves had no rights. It doesn't matter what they deserved, it matters what the law says. If we all have these rights why make laws?
I think yall are splitting hairs saying well they have that right they just can't exercise it. They are one in the same
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Are There Innate Rights?
Don't you think it's an important distinction? I mean, why did we free the slaves?
Re: Are There Innate Rights?
To give them rights.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Why don't we free the cows to give them rights then? Is it because they don't naturally possess rights?
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The philosophy stems from Christian faith Strike, that God created men equal, with no kings. They late imposed kings on themselves. Whether you believe in Christianity or not though, the philosophy is that people DO have those rights. The reason that slavery is a crime and had to be stopped is because there was something wrong with it. That is that people's rights were being infringed on. The slaves had their rights, they just were not allowed to exercise them. The reason that murder is a crime is because it infringes on a persons right to life and pursuit of happiness. The person has the right, but they can be murdered and the right will be violated. That does not mean that they did not have it, it simply mean that the criminal commited a crime by violating it. That is paramount to the entire philosophy, and if you miss that, you are missing the entire point that the founding fathers were making.
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Re: Are There Innate Rights?
“No one person is born with their "freedom"(however that is defined, exactly)”: I agree. Social determinism is one of the heaviest weights to start with.
There are no “natural” rights as such. All rights are determined upon cultural and social links.
You have slaves when the slaves are not seen as humans, or if you considered slaves as genetically inferior, the good old separation between Greeks and Barbarians…
If a population doesn’t share your faith, it can be enslave or killed, or used as you wanted.
The big step forwards in human rights was a UNIVERSAL definition of human rights, not based on gender, race, colour and religion. It took some time for implementation mind you, and it is still not perfect. But the principles are there…
Now what freedom or rights have a person staving in Africa? What are the right of the kids born in the favelas in Brazil?
“You have whatever rights you are willing to die for.” That is pillaging of war, not rights.
Did you face this choice? It is a nice sentence but what does it means?
Freedom or death is not a choice. Death to the oppressor is more an option.
What about people who can’t fight: The elderly, the disables?
Put 2000 men with bows in front of a platoon of modern soldiers, they have no chance. So they have no right? Or they will be dead.
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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