Player Chatroom (Off-Character Discussion)

[HunGeneral]

There was, historically, a major difference between Hellenistic rulers of the East (Seleukeia, Aigyptos) and Makedonian Basileis. The former were considered above human, even deified sometimes. The Proskynesis (an act of worship) was frequently utilized by subjects of Eastern Hellenistic monarchs. In Makedonia, that concept was alien and frowned upon. The Basileus was considered equal in the eyes of the people, and was also addressed in a much more casual way than you would address, say, the Basileus of the Seleukeis.

Hmm. Do you think that could have changed if the Arche Seleukeia had somehow managed to conquer Makedonia and get them to accept the Basileus ton Basileon as there rightful ruler? (just curious)

The greeks are too treacherous, they must be destroyed!

Seconded!

They must fall.

About leaving other factions alive: I don't know... if it works realisticly we should but if they become obsolete I say: put them to rest. Our first priority should be however to conquer all of hellas.

[The Celtic Viking]

And my promotion.

Nah but seriously. You should, not introduce, but set up each of the characters, so that each knows what he's doing and where he's going. Your the king, so give orders, rather than let people decide what they want to do, and then have them sat around doing nothing because they havent got anything to do.

All right, bean, you strap on some of those pots filled with Greek fire, run into Athens and throw yourself at the finest building you can find, and Everyone, you assist him but under AI control. Iskander, you take your fleet and randomly blockade any port of any random faction, wait one turn and then move on and do the same again. The rest of you can just attack each other at will.

How's that?

Seriously though, as Maion said I'm technically an equal to you, so we must discuss things anyway. Otherwise, lets just skip the Synedrion completely and just let me reign supreme... not that I mind, of course, but I don't think that's how Maion designed the game.

And I think we should discuss in here what our policies on capturing cities should be, and on the spawning of armies. I would prefer not to let any factions be destroyed utterly, because it stops any future rise of them. We shouldn't expand too quickly, and maybe do more raids on cities than actually capturing them all the time. What's everyone else's view?

About not destroying factions completely, it depends on the situation IMO, but generally yes, let them live. We're on the same page, in other words.

[Maion Maroneios]

How many threads do you guys expect this game to eventually generate?

Dunno, but probably one more for character stories, one more for the Synedrion that are going to be held soon (that is, the voting procedure) and probably one more thread that will contain all annual reports that have been written in the "Savegames" thread. Oh yes and an "Agora" thread, where the Basileus or any other player can make public statements regardless of where they are stationed. Synedrion sessions, declarations of war and major diplomatic negotiations will be announced there for all to see. Also, speeches can be held for example by players.

Am I supposed to start the first session now, or are we still waiting for something? I'm a little unsure, by the way, about my opening speech. I suppose I should address the "Pyrrhos outside of Pella" situation and the KH nuisance, but what else is there that I have missed? As it seems important that I don't miss anything important, I want to check here this first time.

I have also understood it that I as the Basileus decide the length of the session on my own. Is that correct?

We will start soon, yes. I'll give you a nudge when to start. First, you will announce the Synedrion is going to start soon at the Agora thread I'm going to create, then you officialy declare the beginning (with date) of the session. Remember, this is going to be an emergency session where you won't be present (neither will Krateros, Kalos and Alexandros for that matter) and will have to talk through a representative. I will work as the coordinator of the Synedrion, much like I did in my ceased interactive AAR in the past.

There's also another thing you should do, something of vital importance; namely, you have to choose your Basilikos Grammateus formally during the session. He can be any player's character you decide. Either just Synedros, or maybe even a Strategos. Whatever, it doesn't matter. But make your decision and announce it when you start the session. Oh and don't forget you can't be the Basilikos Grammateus yourself, like Chancellor in WotB.

Hmm. Do you think that could have changed if the Arche Seleukeia had somehow managed to conquer Makedonia and get them to accept the Basileus ton Basileon as there rightful ruler? (just curious)

Nope. When Alexandros was beginning to get spoiled by his conquests and titles he gained (as well as the unimaginable sums of gold and silver, of course), he begun asking his Macedonians to worship him as a god (the Proskynesis I mentioned). This, of course, enraged his men who refused to do that. His later subjects though, especially locals I guess, would be used to deifying their monarch.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

There's also another thing you should do, something of vital importance; namely, you have to choose your Basilikos Grammateus formally during the session. He can be any player's character you decide. Either just Synedros, or maybe even a Strategos. Whatever, it doesn't matter. But make your decision and announce it when you start the session. Oh and don't forget you can't be the Basilikos Grammateus yourself, like Chancellor in WotB.

Who is better for this than your trusted older brother TCV?

[The Celtic Viking]

Thanks for the clarifications, Maion. Duly noted. (I didn't want to be Basilikos Grammateus anyway.)

Who is better for this than your trusted older brother TCV?

The highest bidder?

[Iskander 3.1]

Send him IC PMs! Makes it more fun!

[Maion Maroneios]

I didn't want to be Basilikos Grammateus anyway.

Just wanted to make sure the Basilikos Grammateus and Chancellor don't get confused with each other.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

Cool, we got a sub-forum very quickly. Cheers TinCow.

[Iskander 3.1]

Moo to yoo!

[Maion Maroneios]

Yeah, just got pm'ed about it and I was very (pleasantly) surprised! Get ready for action now, guys

Maion

[HunGeneral]

Now this sub-forum was a great suprise to start the day.

[johnhughthom]

Just thought I should mention that I don't have much experience using phalanx based armies in EB, or RTW for that matter. Most of my campaigns have been as the Romani, Pahlava, Getai or Saba, all based on fast moving, fluid tactics. I had one Ptolemy () campaign in 0.72 or so but it was a while ago. It may be best for me not to take charge of an army in the dangerous early game, although I'm more than happy to take one if the Synedrion decides.

[/Bean\]

Good, its good that we have possible generals varied in ability

[navarro951]

CONGRATS ON THE YOUR OWN FORUM GENTS!

[Maion Maroneios]

CONGRATS ON THE YOUR OWN FORUM GENTS!

Thanks man!

Maion

[johnhughthom]

In reply to mini's post in the Synedrion.

The messenger leaves the hall.

Who are you talking to?


I'm not 100% sure what my role as Basilikos Grammateus entails, do I simply end each turn and post a report and the new save for the next turn or is there more to it? Also the game rules mention personal fortunes, but not how this is calculated, or have I missed something?

[TinCow]

Maion Maroneios is now Forum Leader for the TVS subforum and has the ability to sticky and lock threads. He is also responsible for running the TVS game. If you have a problem with the game itself, please contact Maion Maroneios first. I will not be monitoring the daily progress of the game, so it would be best if you could try and resolve any issues with him first, and only bump it up to me if you are not satisfied with the result.

However, this only extends to gameplay itself. This subforum is provided for organizational purposes only. It is still a part of the Throne Room and all (both) Throne Room rules still apply. If there are general problems between players in this forum, please contact me directly. This includes inappropriate language, personal attacks, etc. Competitive games like this can sometimes cause a bit of OOC conflict. Try and remember that it's just a game; keep the conflicts in the IC realm, and be friendly and courteous at all times OOC.

As always, please also feel free to contact me if there's anything I can do to help out. Good luck!

[Maion Maroneios]

Excellent! I believe we won't have any problems with behaviour, given that most of the guys that have subscribed I already know more or less. Of course, you never know... Anyway, I'll try and do my best as a Forum Leader henceforth!

@ Beanerz: Regarding Eb vs real life numbers, a more "relistic" feel is x10 for Huge numbers, so x20 for Large. Just my

Maion

[/Bean\]

Takin bets on who will be cautioned first...I bet myself

And oh sorry, didn't realise we were on large..I'll shall pretend I said something different...Blackadder style

[johnhughthom]

Are we supposed to be proposing edicts in the Synedrion yet, or are we just going to argue for a while?

[The Celtic Viking]

Well, when I decide we've argued enough, I will propose edicts. You will second what you wish to second, and then I believe I'm supposed to PM Maion with the edicts that passed. He will then put up a poll for everyone to vote in. I will go to bed now after checking WotB and BtSH, so I will give you the night to discuss things through. I will propose the edicts tomorrow.

[Maion Maroneios]

Takin bets on who will be cautioned first...I bet myself

And oh sorry, didn't realise we were on large..I'll shall pretend I said something different...Blackadder style

No problem, just saying.

Well, when I decide we've argued enough, I will propose edicts. You will second what you wish to second, and then I believe I'm supposed to PM Maion with the edicts that passed. He will then put up a poll for everyone to vote in. I will go to bed now after checking WotB and BtSH, so I will give you the night to discuss things through. I will propose the edicts tomorrow.

Yep, that's correct.

I really have to try and get some sleep, by the way

Maion

[everyone]

it seems I have no idea what to make Kalos say in the Synedrion. I'll just pretend that he's still there listening, instead of idling in Demetrias.

[Maion Maroneios]

That's your choise. I wouldn't worry too much about what you should say, though.

Maion

[Maion Maroneios]

By the way, I'm going to put up a poll very soon. Plus, keep your eyes peeled, for I will post a list with player's salaries and how to implement them in-game.

Maion

[Hotseat_User]

hah, thx Maion, i've entered this room to ask if my char will recive smth yet. Maybe the synedron have to discuss the 'national finaces' of macedonia ( err, stupid translation in my point of view... in german it would be 'Staatshaushalt' - but I think all of you get me. )
but if you make the poll and the list, this will be needed at a later point.

[Maion Maroneios]

hah, thx Maion, i've entered this room to ask if my char will recive smth yet. Maybe the synedron have to discuss the 'national finaces' of macedonia ( err, stupid translation in my point of view... in german it would be 'Staatshaushalt' - but I think all of you get me. )
but if you make the poll and the list, this will be needed at a later point.

If you take a look at some previous Synedrion posts, you'll see everyone pretty much agrees on sending your character to spy on Pyrrhos' army and his son's (Ptolemaios). But you'll have to wait for TCV (the current Basileus) to get the actual order, since he's really the one with the power to do anything.

Oh and about the finances... It should be made clear that the Synedrion's job is purely typical. The Basileus doesn't have to obey anyone, he rather consults the nobles. Thus, matters like politics, war and economics have to be run by the Basileus himself. The Basilikos Grammateus is someone who is usually tasked with organizing the finances of the state, while of course he can always consult the Synedrion. And that's exactly what the Synedrion does: it consults instead of decide.

Maion

[/Bean\]

Maion, why are you awake?

[Hotseat_User]

ehhh I bet he didn't get a stop in his Mak-Campaign

those vinered guys in my north tried to rip out my last spartan fm exactly when the Arche decided to travel for my towns ... nah I'm out, cu tomorrow.

[Maion Maroneios]

Well dudes, it's 11:10am here. By the way, I've readied a list with salaries. Take a look and tell me what you think:

Archikataskopos - 200 mnai
Archiproxenos - 100 mnai
Archon stolou - 400 mnai
Strategos/Governor (any type) - 500 mnai

Maion