Protectorate - not an option?

[jsberry]

As France, I want to give Savoy to Genoa and make the new combination my protectorate. But that is not an option. I can do it with Italian states. I thought the difference might be Genoa's attitude (unfriendly v. indifferent Italian States) so I gave Genoa a state gift (now very friendly) but still no protectorate option. What's the difference?

[johnhughthom]

I think only one province nations can be made protectorates, so giving them Savoy means it can't be done.

[jsberry]

I think only one province nations can be made protectorates, so giving them Savoy means it can't be done.

But it worked perfectly in Germany. I conquered Wurtemburg and gave it to Westphalia in exchange for becoming my protectorate. Now I have a strong ally along my Eastern border.

And, I don't think Genoa has any wars except the Pirates and Barbaries...

[Darth Venom]

But it worked perfectly in Germany. I conquered Wurtemburg and gave it to Westphalia in exchange for becoming my protectorate.

It does definitely work if offered in the same deal, yes. I just gave the 2 greek provinces to the Knights

[Allu X]

Check to see if Genoa is at war with one of your allies - I'm pretty sure, like in the past Total War games, you can't ally with a faction (or protectorate) if they are at war with one of your allies.

I think only one province nations can be made protectorates, so giving them Savoy means it can't be done.

The 13 colonies are a protectorate though :).

[Slaists]

Check to see if Genoa is at war with one of your allies - I'm pretty sure, like in the past Total War games, you can't ally with a faction (or protectorate) if they are at war with one of your allies.



The 13 colonies are a protectorate though :).

Well, actually, I (as French) turned the plains indians into my protectorate while they were at war with my allies - Spain. I did not notice at the time when I offered the protectorate. About 20 years later in the game: both are still at war with each other, both are displaying as having very friendly relations with me...

[aimlesswanderer]

So far it seems like I can't make anyone with more than one province a Protectorate, it has only been 8 single ones so far - though some absolutely refused and had to die. The Italian States did take Southern Italy after though, and are still a Protectorate.

In some ways it seems a little silly, since if you are massive then why can't you make a comparatively tiny 2 province state a protectorate?

[napoleon526]

As Prussia once, I was allied to Hannover, which had Westphalia as a protectorate. For some reason I couldn't ally with Westphalia.

I've also noticed that protectorate status doesn't necessarily mean you're allied. I've attacked factions and their protectorates have not joined that nation's allies in fighting me, and we remain at peace.

[jsberry]

So far it seems like I can't make anyone with more than one province a Protectorate, it has only been 8 single ones so far - though some absolutely refused and had to die. The Italian States did take Southern Italy after though, and are still a Protectorate.

In some ways it seems a little silly, since if you are massive then why can't you make a comparatively tiny 2 province state a protectorate?

Thanks - that is the only reason that makes sense.

Although, you can do it simultaneously - give them a provice and make them a protectorate in the same treaty, so then you end up with a 2-province protectorate ("Westphalia-Wurtemburg").

Next, I will make "Courland-Michigan"...

[LuxIrae]

Does anybody know if a protectorate counts a territory into your victory conditions? I made Chechnya a protectorate without realising that for Russia it is a must have... suppose I could crush them but it just feels wrong! ;)