Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Iskander 3.1]

"Real life version?"

This is my first ever game but it's been fun, I'll have to try some more. I'll lurk around to see how this one plays out. By the way, excellent naration, Andres

[Beskar]

"Real life version?"

This is my first ever game but it's been fun, I'll have to try some more. I'll lurk around to see how this one plays out. By the way, excellent naration, Andres

Yeah, you have to rely on things like body language as well. I first played the real-life version on New Years. Basically, to choose, you have a pack of cards then the game Master. They give out the cards with cards having the role on, then start the night and day phases just like on the forum. In the game I was in, Mafia only killed one person per night and they simply pointed at whoever they wanted to kill in agreement, then the detective, then the doctor. The other players put their heads in their hands and the game master watched them to make sure they don't try to cheat, if they do, they get kicked out the game. Then the day starts, then people have to use their voices and actions, looking at people, trying to see who it is, looking around at each other, and coming to a vote.

There is also the Warcraft 3 version using custom maps. Basically, that is a time limited game, where at the end, the survivors had to choose who the killer was. The killer to win, had to kill them all before that time-period. If the time ran-out and the killer wasn't voted out. It was classed as a draw/the killer escapes.

[shlin28]

I am really really tired right now, and I got school tomorrow... so er... I'll probably vote when I get back home tomorrow and read the thread properly...

[Rhyfelwyr]

Vote:Abstain

[TinCow]

As others have noted, there is not much in the way of clues in the write-ups. However, it will be useful to keep track of who is killing who. Here's my stab at it.

First, the rules list the roles as:

- 1 ninja master - 3 ninja : they get 3 kills each night;
- 2 traitors (loyal to Takeda Nobutora, Shingens' father : they get 1 or 2 kills each night;
- Takeda Shingen : has certain abilities (secret);
- 3 sword masters: they protect Shingen at night;
- 1 shinobi : pro-town, secret abilities;
- 2 geisha: pro-town,
- 1 secret role
- samurai - regular townies - some of them are more experienced in sword fighting than others.

The ninjas and the traitors are our mafia, likely two separate families. The powers of the pro-town roles remain unknown, but it's possible that some of them can kill at night. There is also the secret role which could be a serial killer.

N1 Deaths:
Khazaar - Killer repeatedly called a "shady figure." Decapitates target and wipes blade on kimono. Likely ninja.
spL1tp3r50nal1ty - Killer repeatedly referred to as a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Likely traitor.
Lord Winter - Killer specifically called a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. Likely traitor. Worth nothing that Lord Winter was obviously a geisha, indicating that the town is down a power role right from the start.

N2 Deaths:
The Spartan - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Iskander III - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Shinseikhaan - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "warrior." However, the killer decapitated his target and wiped his blade on the kimono. This is very similar to the N1 Khazaar death. Thus, likely the ninja killer of Khazaar.
Olavi - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "dark shade." However, the killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. This is very similar to the N1 Lord Winter death. Thus, likely the traitor killer of Lord Winter.

Thus, we have 5 killers so far, 3 ninjas and 2 traitors. This matches the killing power listed in Andres' rules.

Ninja Larry: N1 - Khazaar, N2 - 'khaan
Ninja Moe: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - The Spartan
Ninja Curly: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - Iskander III

Traitor Dante: N1 - spL1tp3r50nal1ty, N2 - Did not kill
Traitor Randal: N1 - Lord Winter, N2 - Olavi

Two of the ninjas keeping quiet on N1 is not really remarkable. It is a common and intelligent tactic to intentionally refrain from killing. However, the failure of Traitor Dante to kill on N2 is interesting, as there are very few circumstances in which a mafioso will voluntarily not kill after he has started murdering. The usual reasons are (1) to make the town think he just died, (2) he didn't get his orders in on time, and (3) he was blocked. (1) is pointless this early in the game. (2) is unlikely since he was active on N1... usually people who are inactive as mafioso are that way in the beginning, not after they've already gotten involved in the game. That leaves (3). So, my conclusion is Traitor Dante was blocked last night.

We then have this post by Ichigo:

Vote:GH

This is not a random vote.

The above is explained if Ichigo was a role blocker and got a successful result on GH. Thus:

Vote: GH


[edit] Worth noting that Ninja Larry's kills are ambiguous enough in his identity that he could be the special role instead of a ninja. However, I will continue to refer to him as a ninja until more evidence comes up.

[Csargo]

As others have noted, there is not much in the way of clues in the write-ups. However, it will be useful to keep track of who is killing who. Here's my stab at it.

First, the rules list the roles as:



The ninjas and the traitors are our mafia, likely two separate families. The powers of the pro-town roles remain unknown, but it's possible that some of them can kill at night. There is also the secret role which could be a serial killer.

N1 Deaths:
Khazaar - Killer repeatedly called a "shady figure." Decapitates target and wipes blade on kimono. Likely ninja.
spL1tp3r50nal1ty - Killer repeatedly referred to as a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Likely traitor.
Lord Winter - Killer specifically called a samurai, which would preclude the ninjas. Killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. Likely traitor. Worth nothing that Lord Winter was obviously a geisha, indicating that the town is down a power role right from the start.

N2 Deaths:
The Spartan - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Iskander III - Killer specifically referred to as a ninja.
Shinseikhaan - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "warrior." However, the killer decapitated his target and wiped his blade on the kimono. This is very similar to the N1 Khazaar death. Thus, likely the ninja killer of Khazaar.
Olavi - Killer not referred to as either samurai or ninja, only "dark shade." However, the killer first attacked unarmed, then finished with a blade. This is very similar to the N1 Lord Winter death. Thus, likely the traitor killer of Lord Winter.

Thus, we have 5 killers so far, 3 ninjas and 2 traitors. This matches the killing power listed in Andres' rules.

Ninja Larry: N1 - Khazaar, N2 - 'khaan
Ninja Moe: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - The Spartan
Ninja Curly: N1 - Did not kill, N2 - Iskander III

Traitor Dante: N1 - spL1tp3r50nal1ty, N2 - Did not kill
Traitor Randal: N1 - Lord Winter, N2 - Olavi

Two of the ninjas keeping quiet on N1 is not really remarkable. It is a common and intelligent tactic to intentionally refrain from killing. However, the failure of Traitor Dante to kill on N2 is interesting, as there are very few circumstances in which a mafioso will voluntarily not kill after he has started murdering. The usual reasons are (1) to make the town think he just died, (2) he didn't get his orders in on time, and (3) he was blocked. (1) is pointless this early in the game. (2) is unlikely since he was active on N1... usually people who are inactive as mafioso are that way in the beginning, not after they've already gotten involved in the game. That leaves (3). So, my conclusion is Traitor Dante was blocked last night.

We then have this post by Ichigo:



The above is explained if Ichigo was a role blocker and got a successful result on GH. Thus:

Vote: GH


[edit] Worth noting that Ninja Larry's kills are ambiguous enough in his identity that he could be the special role instead of a ninja. However, I will continue to refer to him as a ninja until more evidence comes up.

Your assumption is wrong. I voted GH because I haven't seen him post anything.

[TinCow]

Your assumption is wrong. I voted GH because I haven't seen him post anything.

Then why didn't you say that the first time?

[Beskar]

Well, put it this way. If your assumption is right, you just alerted him to all the ninja and he is going to get lynched. He is naturally going to say that you are wrong.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Speculating about who might have a pro town role is rarely a good idea.

btw Beskar...are you now voting yarapolk?

[Splitpersonality]

Regarding my death.

It seems that my assailant (and murderer) was someone who chose to attack, with little honor, while my back was turned.

Poisoned weaponry is that of the ninja, and a ninja disguised as a samurai would not be difficult to manage.

[TinCow]

Well, put it this way. If your assumption is right, you just alerted him to all the ninja and he is going to get lynched. He is naturally going to say that you are wrong.

Obviously, but in a game this large, some of the pro-town roles are bound to be doctors. If he's pro-town, he's in no immediate danger, plus a dead mafioso is more than a fair trade for a role blocker. In any case, Ichigo's role is far from determined and it's a useful method to pressure him to give more information on his intentionally mysterious vote.

[Thermal]

Then why didn't you say that the first time?

It's Ichigo, like he even requires to be serious.....

A leader he may be
he runs so wild and free
but not into battle
instead making mere prattles
as he curses his generals to death.

vote:TosaInu

Intuition, and no better way to remove myself from the game early on than for voting for the site owner. But perhaps a mafia site owner?

[Csargo]

Then why didn't you say that the first time?

This is not a random vote just sounds so much better then because I haven't seen him post. Plus, I didn't think someone would misunderstand my vote.