There it goes, fun factor low.

[DEY123]

I agree...replayability on E:TW is really poor since it is always the same interaction with the AI and the only challenge is in the first few years. I stopped playing a few weeks ago and am waiting for a patch that makes gameplay changes before trying again.

This may be my last strategy game purchase for some time as they have all become too disappointing. They are either too difficult to control, slow moving, or not a challenge (like E:TW)

[Maladin]

It does not help that the console is missing; some of the best campaigns I ever played in Medieval 2: Total War were those where I used the console to swap starting positions. The Turks in Arhus, the Scots in Jerusalem, the Moors in Constantinople...

The decrease in numbers of the character traits is quite saddening too, especially that most are completely random. I did not appreciate the sun king hiring a fancy gardener when I already had trouble keeping order among the lower classes because France does not even have dragoons.

I do like the fact that alliances are something to worry about in Empire: Total War, though. In the previous game... Not so much.

[HKDDJulker]

Omg, another thread full of complaints?

not picking on anyone in particular, but srsly?

This is a good and fun game, full of features that other games are still trying to emulate. Its not perfect, and its not as good as it could be, but come on. You're sitting here complaining that the cake you bought is not as tasty as it could be, in between mouthfuls. Its good enough, and getting better over time. We are hardly the first set of consumers to feel like our product could have improvements. We'll get them, from CA and the modding community.

If you really are upset about things, send the modders a few $$$ to get them more motivated

[Meneldil]

Omg, another thread full of complaints?

not picking on anyone in particular, but srsly?

This is a good and fun game, full of features that other games are still trying to emulate.

Pardon me? What game are you talking about.

What I see here is that the TW franchise tried to emulate some of the features from more complex games (diplomacy, trade) and failed badly.
Europa Universalis, Victoria and consorts are much deeper games than TW, and half of their features aren't broken.

[Smellycat]

Pardon me? What game are you talking about.

What I see here is that the TW franchise tried to emulate some of the features from more complex games (diplomacy, trade) and failed badly.
Europa Universalis, Victoria and consorts are much deeper games than TW, and half of their features aren't broken.

Funny you should say that i was re-reading Jack LustedsA Swedish Campaign report and came across this post.

[Smellycat]

Omg, another thread full of complaints?

not picking on anyone in particular, but srsly?

This is a good and fun game, full of features that other games are still trying to emulate. Its not perfect, and its not as good as it could be, but come on. You're sitting here complaining that the cake you bought is not as tasty as it could be, in between mouthfuls. Its good enough, and getting better over time. We are hardly the first set of consumers to feel like our product could have improvements. We'll get them, from CA and the modding community.

If you really are upset about things, send the modders a few $$$ to get them more motivated

obvious troll is obvious...

...as for me i start a new campaign, press end turn button then the feeling of "what's the point" washes over me and it has been like that 2 weeks now... and I played RTW and M2W without mods for years and years.