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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Having all the answers (or pretending to) does not make you Obamamessiah. That isn't what I said at all.
Ummmm....Having all the answers (or pretending to) does not make you Obamamessiah. That isn't what I said at all.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Sorry, but if you don't want people to say that he is the Messiah, then do one of two things:
1) Stop making out that he is a hero coming to save us. In other words stop pretending he has all the answers and solutions we need.
2) Criticize him for encouraging things like that on his campaign. In other words, call him out on not having all the answers and solutions America needs.
Thats what being a hero politician is. Coming in with all the answers and solutions and fixing America up single handily.Sorry, but if you don't want people to say that he is the Messiah, then do one of two things:
1) Stop making out that he is a hero coming to save us. In other words stop pretending he has all the answers and solutions we need.
2) Criticize him for encouraging things like that on his campaign. In other words, call him out on not having all the answers and solutions America needs.
Since my point isn't getting through, I'll try a new tactic. Answer me this question - do the Obama worshippers recognize that he is imperfect?
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Since my point isn't getting through, I'll try a new tactic. Answer me this question - do the Obama worshippers recognize that he is imperfect?
BLASPHEMER!!! KILL THE HERETIC!!! DEATH TO THE REPUBLICANS!!!Since my point isn't getting through, I'll try a new tactic. Answer me this question - do the Obama worshippers recognize that he is imperfect?
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Since my point isn't getting through, I'll try a new tactic. Answer me this question - do the Obama worshippers recognize that he is imperfect?
Anyone 25 and above, yeah probably. The only ones who truly believe he can do no wrong, is the young people who are are just getting involved in politics and are mostly likely getting swept up in a movement due to inexperience not because Obama portrays himself as a god.Since my point isn't getting through, I'll try a new tactic. Answer me this question - do the Obama worshippers recognize that he is imperfect?
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name:
Anyone 25 and above, yeah probably. The only ones who truly believe he can do no wrong, is the young people who are are just getting involved in politics and are mostly likely getting swept up in a movement due to inexperience not because
Agreed so far, except that there are quite a few people over 25 who are taken in by it.Anyone 25 and above, yeah probably. The only ones who truly believe he can do no wrong, is the young people who are are just getting involved in politics and are mostly likely getting swept up in a movement due to inexperience not because
Originally Posted by :
Obama portrays himself as a god.
Not literally, of course, but he was certainly effective in creating - or at least encouraging - the image he received as the Obamamessiah. The right mocks because some of the left created this image, and we find it amusing.Obama portrays himself as a god.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Not literally, of course, but he was certainly effective in creating - or at least encouraging - the image he received as the Obamamessiah. The right mocks because some of the left created this image, and we find it amusing.
To be fair, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage are beyond making me laugh. Their bloviating hyperpartisan hysterics are shameful beyond belief, just like the nonsense you'd hear on anarchist blogs or militant communist websites. It's sickening some of the stuff that comes from the "good Christian family-oriented" fighters for the so-called right wing. This "us or them" mentality is damaging to our country and our sanity.Not literally, of course, but he was certainly effective in creating - or at least encouraging - the image he received as the Obamamessiah. The right mocks because some of the left created this image, and we find it amusing.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
To be fair, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage are beyond making me laugh.
Don't worry, I don't think most of the right likes them either. Alright, Hannity can be OK sometimes, and I've never heard of Savage, but O'Reilly and Limbaugh...To be fair, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Savage are beyond making me laugh.
Agreed so far, except that there are quite a few people over 25 who are taken in by it.
Maybe, those just might be hardcore Democrats.
Not literally, of course, but he was certainly effective in creating - or at least encouraging - the image he received as the Obamamessiah. The right mocks because some of the left created this image, and we find it amusing.
This image though, if you look at it deeper, was not created and endorsed by Obama and his group. Essentially, what you had was a massive resentment toward the Republicans for quite a while (since late 2003, after the Iraq invasion), but none of the candidates the Democrats had were strong or charismatic enough to win. Now suddenly, in the 2008 Democratic primaries, you had two strong candidates, Hillary and Obama and the tough battle between the two of them created the situation where both looked ready to pounce on the weakened Republicans with renewed momentum after the primary. So after the primary what you had was not an image of a Messiah, you just had a complete reversal of what had been hapening for the past 8 years. Now the Republicans were the weak ones, and the Democrats were the strong ones. This caused the public to flock away from the Republicans in large numbers. Not realizing what was going on, the right has been attempting to write this off as Obama trying to seem as a messiah when in actually, it was a mass rejection of Republican ideals not smoke and shadow from the Democrats. All Obama had to do (and did) was say I am completely different from George Bush and McCain is exactly like him, and boom he wins the election. No tricks, no messiah, just a simple change in momentum combined with public resentment, along with a few catchphrases that tempted many apathetic young voters to come out.
Maybe, those just might be hardcore Democrats.
Not literally, of course, but he was certainly effective in creating - or at least encouraging - the image he received as the Obamamessiah. The right mocks because some of the left created this image, and we find it amusing.
This image though, if you look at it deeper, was not created and endorsed by Obama and his group. Essentially, what you had was a massive resentment toward the Republicans for quite a while (since late 2003, after the Iraq invasion), but none of the candidates the Democrats had were strong or charismatic enough to win. Now suddenly, in the 2008 Democratic primaries, you had two strong candidates, Hillary and Obama and the tough battle between the two of them created the situation where both looked ready to pounce on the weakened Republicans with renewed momentum after the primary. So after the primary what you had was not an image of a Messiah, you just had a complete reversal of what had been hapening for the past 8 years. Now the Republicans were the weak ones, and the Democrats were the strong ones. This caused the public to flock away from the Republicans in large numbers. Not realizing what was going on, the right has been attempting to write this off as Obama trying to seem as a messiah when in actually, it was a mass rejection of Republican ideals not smoke and shadow from the Democrats. All Obama had to do (and did) was say I am completely different from George Bush and McCain is exactly like him, and boom he wins the election. No tricks, no messiah, just a simple change in momentum combined with public resentment, along with a few catchphrases that tempted many apathetic young voters to come out.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
Don't worry, I don't think most of the right likes them either. Alright, Hannity can be OK sometimes, and I've never heard of Savage, but O'Reilly and Limbaugh...
To be clear, I do not equate the right and the Republicans with those hacks.Don't worry, I don't think most of the right likes them either. Alright, Hannity can be OK sometimes, and I've never heard of Savage, but O'Reilly and Limbaugh...
Hannity... oh dear. I really have to send you some clips of his more unforgivable stuff. He's like Keith Olbermann.... sometimes Olbermann makes me laugh, but in every show, he says something inexcusably blind and partisan.
I wash my hands of him.
Michael Savage? Oh my god. This guy is a dangerous hateful lunatic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael...e_(commentator)
His page: (I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT)
http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/
O'Reilly and Limbaugh should be kept in a cardboard box for their protection, and ours.
now, feel free to name the lefty liberal loons. I'll probably agree.
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name:
along with a few catchphrases that tempted many apathetic young voters to come out. [/B]
With that one line, you showed my point. Why did they come out? Answer: Messiah. The right didn't create the image of Obama as a Messiah.along with a few catchphrases that tempted many apathetic young voters to come out. [/B]
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
With that one line, you showed my point. Why did they come out? Answer: Messiah. The right didn't create the image of Obama as a Messiah.
Family. Taxes. Limited Government. Security. Socialism. Communism. Terrorism. Un-Americanism.With that one line, you showed my point. Why did they come out? Answer: Messiah. The right didn't create the image of Obama as a Messiah.
America will fall to dust if Obama gets elected. He's an evil socialist communist anarchist terrorist who is not really American and hates this country and worships the Koran.
Trust me, the right created lots of images of Obama to scare people into voting against him. The Democrats painted an image of him as a hopeful visionary, but didn't turn McCain into a hateful, vile, anti-American terrorist.
I'm afraid you will never convince me that the Democrats are worse than the Republicans in this regard. They clearly aren't.
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars:
With that one line, you showed my point. Why did they come out? Answer: Messiah. The right didn't create the image of Obama as a Messiah.
I hardly think change and hope portrays someone as a messiah, or maybe my version of what a messiah is is different then others.With that one line, you showed my point. Why did they come out? Answer: Messiah. The right didn't create the image of Obama as a Messiah.
Yes, the Dems are the only political party to have a problem with people on the fringes thinking that their man is sent by God. This is a failing exclusive to them. Oh, wait ...
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183519&title=Guess-Who's-Coming-to-Denver---Obama's-Acceptance-Speech
Okay, that may have been a bit too much. I am just saying, Obama's win was more 'sick of Republicans' then 'Democrats are so great'.http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=183519&title=Guess-Who's-Coming-to-Denver---Obama's-Acceptance-Speech
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan:
So, you're asking me what I'll think of Bush 43 in 30 years, but won't ask yourself what you'll think of Obama by the end if his term, let alone 30 years?
Oh SNAP! So, you're asking me what I'll think of Bush 43 in 30 years, but won't ask yourself what you'll think of Obama by the end if his term, let alone 30 years?
Originally Posted by Vuk:
Do you deny that the world is having a love affair with obama?
Hmmm.... beloved President who is restoring our image throughout the world and getting big ratings overseas and at home....Do you deny that the world is having a love affair with obama?
Or, our previous president, who is largely despised both at home and abroad.
It just seems like, if Obama were truly messing up, Republicans would be upset. If Obama were doing a mediocre job, Republicans would be upset. If Obama is doing a good job, and by most accounts, he is, Republicans are still upset. Is there nothing this man can do which would seem right in your eyes? And why, pray tell, is his popularity either a bad thing, or something evil he concocted?
I am most puzzled by the consistently negative, in spite of any real reasons why, assessment of Obama after only a few months. What's he done that is so bad?
PS- I just want to say I am not trying to bait anyone. I'm actually, genuinely curious to hear what is wrong with him. You have the floor.
You know who else was popular? HITLER!
Originally Posted by Lemur:
You know who else was popular? HITLER!
LOLYou know who else was popular? HITLER!
See? Jokes can be healing!
Cleary when conservative presidents get elected its a well researched decision made by clear thinking, on the other hand when people elect a non conservative president it is through hysteria or some kind of delusion or clever marketing campaign...
Those damn opposition we had the better ideas but they had the snazzy market campaign or the better soundbytes or more advertising or a better speaker...
It happens to lots of opposition parties and they don't attribute it to some messiah perception... some people just don't take losing that well i guess...
Those damn opposition we had the better ideas but they had the snazzy market campaign or the better soundbytes or more advertising or a better speaker...
It happens to lots of opposition parties and they don't attribute it to some messiah perception... some people just don't take losing that well i guess...
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
Cleary when conservative presidents get elected its a clear well researched decision made by clear thinking, on the other hand when people elect a non conservative president it is through hysteria or some kind of delusion or clever marketing campaign...
Those damn opposition we had the better ideas but they had the snazzy market campaign or the better soundbytes or more advertising or the better speaker...
It happens to lots of opposition parties and they don't attribute it to some messiah perception... some people just don't take losing that well i guess...
Well, I dunno.Cleary when conservative presidents get elected its a clear well researched decision made by clear thinking, on the other hand when people elect a non conservative president it is through hysteria or some kind of delusion or clever marketing campaign...
Those damn opposition we had the better ideas but they had the snazzy market campaign or the better soundbytes or more advertising or the better speaker...
It happens to lots of opposition parties and they don't attribute it to some messiah perception... some people just don't take losing that well i guess...
I am willing to hear them out. Vuk is an articulate guy, even though I strongly disagree with him. I'm willing to listen, in a civil manner, to his complaints, if there are any that are real and can be addressed.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
See? Jokes can be healing!
P.S.: Kids, don't buy inferior "imitation" crazy-flakes. Get the real crazy-flakes straight from the source: Fascism is coming!See? Jokes can be healing!
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly:
Cleary when conservative presidents get elected its a well researched decision made by clear thinking, on the other hand when people elect a non conservative president it is through hysteria or some kind of delusion or clever marketing campaign...
Hardly. As I said, I don't think the "Messiah" level of hysteria has been seen since perhaps JFK.Cleary when conservative presidents get elected its a well researched decision made by clear thinking, on the other hand when people elect a non conservative president it is through hysteria or some kind of delusion or clever marketing campaign...
Originally Posted by :
Those damn opposition we had the better ideas but they had the snazzy market campaign or the better soundbytes or more advertising or a better speaker...
They did have the snazzy marketing campaign, better soundbytes, and a better speaker, and the GOP would do well to learn from that. Whose policies were better is simply an opinion.Those damn opposition we had the better ideas but they had the snazzy market campaign or the better soundbytes or more advertising or a better speaker...
Originally Posted by :
It happens to lots of opposition parties and they don't attribute it to some messiah perception... some people just don't take losing that well i guess...
The right didn't create the Obamamessiah perception...It happens to lots of opposition parties and they don't attribute it to some messiah perception... some people just don't take losing that well i guess...
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name:
I hardly think change and hope portrays someone as a messiah, or maybe my version of what a messiah is is different then others.
It doesn't. The way it is presented does. The way his radical followers present it does.I hardly think change and hope portrays someone as a messiah, or maybe my version of what a messiah is is different then others.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
Trust me, the right created lots of images of Obama to scare people into voting against him. The Democrats painted an image of him as a hopeful visionary, but didn't turn McCain into a hateful, vile, anti-American terrorist.
He wasn't portrayed as an anti-American terrorist - but the Republicans are portrayed by Democrats as bigots, evil white men who don't care about you, etc, etc. Republicans negatively show Democrats in the same way that Democrats negatively show Republicans. Same brush, different paint. Neither party is innocent of creating negative images.Trust me, the right created lots of images of Obama to scare people into voting against him. The Democrats painted an image of him as a hopeful visionary, but didn't turn McCain into a hateful, vile, anti-American terrorist.
Originally Posted by :
He wasn't portrayed as an anti-American terrorist
If you type in your search function "Obama the anti american terrorist" how many million hits does it come up with ?He wasn't portrayed as an anti-American terrorist
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
If you type in your search function "Obama the anti american terrorist" how many million hits does it come up with ?
When the man is right, he is right. Simply put, there was a concerted, organized, Republican effort to paint Obama as a terrorist or an un-American person. You can't really deny that with any credibility.If you type in your search function "Obama the anti american terrorist" how many million hits does it come up with ?
There was a concerted effort to paint McCain as George Bush, and to be fair, he admitted he voted with him what, 95% of the time? So was that even an unfair comparison?
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
If you type in your search function "Obama the anti american terrorist" how many million hits does it come up with ?
How about typing "McCain the anti-American terrorist"? That is, after all, exactly what I was referring to. See, I responded to this:If you type in your search function "Obama the anti american terrorist" how many million hits does it come up with ?
Originally Posted by :
but didn't turn McCain into a hateful, vile, anti-American terrorist.
With this:but didn't turn McCain into a hateful, vile, anti-American terrorist.
Originally Posted by :
He [McCain] wasn't portrayed as an anti-American terrorist - but the Republicans are portrayed by Democrats as bigots, evil white men who don't care about you, etc, etc.
For someone who tries to give the perception that he is the final arbiter of The Truth you miss an awful lot...He [McCain] wasn't portrayed as an anti-American terrorist - but the Republicans are portrayed by Democrats as bigots, evil white men who don't care about you, etc, etc.
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
If you type in your search function "Obama the anti american terrorist" how many million hits does it come up with ?
Yeah, because a key word search using google is critical to uncovering the real intent of people who associate themselves with a political party...If you type in your search function "Obama the anti american terrorist" how many million hits does it come up with ?
george bush the anti american terrorist
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ican+terrorist
Results 1 - 10 of about 412,000 for george bush the anti american terrorist. (0.39 seconds)
george bush the fascist
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...sh+the+fascist
Results 1 - 10 of about 933,000 for george bush the fascist. (0.26 seconds)
george bush the dictator
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...h+the+dictator
Results 1 - 10 of about 791,000 for george bush the dictator. (0.31 seconds)
george bush the tyrant
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=
Results 1 - 10 of about 185,000 for george bush the tyrant. (0.30 seconds)
george bush the king
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...+bush+the+king
Results 1 - 10 of about 11,600,000 for george bush the king. (0.31 seconds) WoW!
Your point?
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
When the man is right, he is right. Simply put, there was a concerted, organized, Republican effort to paint Obama as a terrorist or an un-American person. You can't really deny that with any credibility.
It's certainly not an official GOP effort. If anything, it's the right wing radio coterie who're taking point here. I don't believe any GOP leader has attempted to organize this "strategy," I just think they're sitting there hoping to profit from it if it works or use the plausible deniability if it doesn't.When the man is right, he is right. Simply put, there was a concerted, organized, Republican effort to paint Obama as a terrorist or an un-American person. You can't really deny that with any credibility.
Not sure that that paints the GOP in much of a positive light either.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
It's certainly not an official GOP effort. If anything, it's the right wing radio coterie who're taking point here. I don't believe any GOP leader has attempted to organize this "strategy," I just think they're sitting there hoping to profit from it if it works or use the plausible deniability if it doesn't.
Not sure that that paints the GOP in much of a positive light either.
I agree. It's certainly not an official GOP effort. If anything, it's the right wing radio coterie who're taking point here. I don't believe any GOP leader has attempted to organize this "strategy," I just think they're sitting there hoping to profit from it if it works or use the plausible deniability if it doesn't.
Not sure that that paints the GOP in much of a positive light either.
But the alternative would be to refute their own right wing base, which is tantamount to political suicide.
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