Ok, so now it gets fucking personal. So you *are* in fact accusing me of nationalistic bias? If you are, say so plainly and stop dicking around. Because it's either that or you just can't contradict my arguments. To not agree with me, and say it's your personal opinion is one thing. To accuse me of being irresponsible, incompetent, a nationalistic moron, and the culprit of Spanish players not playing the mod is quite another. Seriously? What ARE you smoking? You do know there are American players as Romans, Norwegians as Seleukids, Persians playing Saba and so on, right? Even if, as you say, the Celtiberians are botched, how would that be an impediment in way for Spanish people to play? And I couldn't care less about what those clans say.

You haven't a clue as to what my (or any other Portuguese member) involvement was in the unit or faction creation process. You just chose to pick the thought which pleases you the most, again I might add. When I joined there were exactly 3 (that's three btw) members working on the Iberian faction, one Portuguese, one American and the other Spanish (that's Aymar, Urnamma and Dux Corvanus respectively) and the vast majority of the Iberian roster was defined then. I joined relatively late, and was responsible only for a handful of units, some of which you are probably happier about, but which you choose not to mention...funny that I introduced no Lusitani unit whatsoever, and fought (and it was a hard fight believe me), to include units such as the Callaeci swordsmen, the Northern Axemen, the Northern infantryman, the Celtiberian light spearmen or the Northeastern Longswordsman, none of which are exclusively belonging to the territory of modern day Portugal.

And what do you mean exactly, by the Lusitani using Celtiberian weapons? They are said to have carried to have carried weapons like the Celtiberians, much like the Celtiberians are said to have carried weapons like the Lusitani. The Iberian panoply wasn't exactly varied, though there is perhaps an excess in the amount of falcatas and armour in the roster, something that will be corrected in EB2, much like what is happening with all the factions in the mod.



There will be NO "Celtiberian" faction. Christ you're annoying with this, stop referring to them as the same thing, as if there was somekind of unity between Callaeci, Vaccei, Vettones, Carpetani, Arevaci, Belli, etc... and any reason to include any of them over the present faction. Acculturation is not military expansionism and cohesion they sorely lacked. That's why they LOST. The people of Iberia were never united, the "classic" Celtiberians were not the miraculous exception, not even among the same tribe, and everyone was pretty much following their own agenda...forget the infantile notion that they were all after the common good of some proposed Celtiberian nation.

Like I said, read the classical authors, and get some god damn Archaeological logs before opening your mouth, as if you had all the reason in the world and everyone else is just missing the obvious - that you're right. Like I said before, Lusitanians did use Celtiberian-like weapons, and Celtiberians used Lusitanian-like weapons. There's exactly one unit of heavy infantry in the Lusitani roster, the rest are all caetrati and a simple spearmen. Even their elite unit is only armed with a sword, a caetra and wearing a helmet, while only their officers wear chainmail, even though simple infantrymen are mentioned as using it. Considering how they were done, they're not bad at all.

The Lusitani *were* notorious for their light infantry-based army, and placed a heavy emphasis on supply line disruption, forced marches and ambushes you're right. But, like I said before (let me underline that for you), they did siege cities, they did fight in battlelines and they did do the massive Trebia-like ambushes the Celtiberians also did. How was Nobilior's defeat any different from Vetilius'? Celtiberians and Lusitanians could be used in the exact same role you know, as infantry specialized in rough terrain, just like Hannibal did.

Was I talking to a wall, were you not reading when I mentioned that the Lusitani were in the scene for 67 years before you ever hear of Viriathos? Of course it was their time of glory, but so was the Belli's when Caro was on scene...what does this particular fact mean, at all? You have no solid ground on which to stand, do you suppose to win the argument by attrition?

And look at me leaving as a good thing...You are now free to talk as much as you want and feel all superior. Always remember that I chose to retire from the conversation not because I have something against Spanish people, but for the simple, simple, simple fact that you have no constructive criticism to offer, and that trying to convince you of anything would do about as much good as me trying to keep horseshit from stinking.