Death Penalty

**Prince Cobra** · 04-11-2009, 20:32

Originally Posted by Vuk

Not really, because as noted above, death is final. You do not have any BS getting out for good behavior, escaping from prison, etc, and it does not give him the opportunitty to prey on prison mates. Unless you are Jesus Christ, death is final, and that is why you need it to keep scum like that out of society.

I presume you know the prisoners are not killed immediately after the capital punishment. I also think you know it takes years for the execution to take place. Years. This is plenty of time for a person to escape.

You can not have a man with life long sentence allowed to go home for his good behaviour. Escaping from prison is relatively rare.

**Vuk** · 04-11-2009, 20:35

Originally Posted by Stephen Asen

I presume you know the prisoners are not killed immediately after the capital sentence. I also think you know it takes years for the execution to take place. Years.

Which is not the fault of the death penalty, but of a justice system in need of overhaul. I already stated that for the death penalty to work correctly the justice system would need to be overhauled. That is as I said though, not an argument against the death penalty, but agains teh justice system in its current state. Capital punishment cases and appeals should be given first priority and be gotten done with as quickly as possible. Hopefully the average scumbag would not be in jail for more than a year, then you can take them out to a firing range and put 8 shots into their worthless heads and dump their filthy bodies into the ocean. Think of the costs we would save?

You can not have a man with life long sentence allowed to go home for his good behaviour. Escaping from prison is relatively rare.

People who are supposed to be in for life get off early all the time, and many times commit more crimes. Scum should not be supported by the people OR have a chance to harm more people in prison anyway. They should be disposed of quickly and efficiently.

**Prince Cobra** · 04-11-2009, 20:39

Originally Posted by Vuk

Which is not the fault of the death penalty, but of a justice system in need of overhaul. I already stated that for the death penalty to work correctly the justice system would need to be overhauled. That is as I said though, not an argument against the death penalty, but agains teh justice system in its current state. Capital punishment cases and appeals should be given first priority and be gotten done with as quickly as possible. Hopefully the average scumbag would not be in jail for more than a year, then you can take them out to a firing range and put 8 shots into their worthless heads and dump their filthy bodies into the ocean. Think of the costs we would save?

People who are supposed to be in for life get off early all the time, and many times commit more crimes. Scum should not be supported by the people OR have a chance to harm more people in prison anyway. They should be disposed of quickly and efficiently.

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What about the innocent? Or kill them all and then send letter to the families of the innocent how good citizens these people were and that they have been killed by mistake?

Originally Posted by Vuk

People who are supposed to be in for life get off early all the time, and many times commit more crimes. Scum should not be supported by the people OR have a chance to harm more people in prison anyway. They should be disposed of quickly and efficiently.

About the second: I think this is easier to be fixed with reforms of the judicial system.

**rory_20_uk** · 04-11-2009, 20:40

Well, that approach usually serves America well...

**Vuk** · 04-11-2009, 20:45

Originally Posted by Stephen Asen

What about the innocent? Or kill them all and then send letter to the families of the innocent how good citizens these people were and that they have been killed by mistake?

As you have stated yourself, the death penalty is not a worse punishment than life imprisonment. And as I stated earlier in the thread, the answer is not to get rid of the death penalty, but to fix the justice system to minimize such mistakes. Innocents die in car accidents, we should not ban autos though. Far more innocents would be saved if you had the death penalty Asen. Sure, some would die, and that really does stink, but as I said, the answer is to minimize friendly fire, because you are saving innocents in the long run. Or we could just tell the family of Cora Jones that we let her daughter be brutally raped and murdered because we did not have the balls to put the

who did it to her to death the first time.

EDIT: I used to bike down the exact same place where he got her. After I found out about it, I couldn't stand to go there for quite a few years. He had raped, tortured, and attempted to murder a woman before in the 60s, and was supposed to get a life sentence, but got out in less than 15 years.

EDIT2: And to be honest with you, I would much rather die by a quick bullet to the face than rot my life away in a prison. I think prisons are one of the most inhumane things in the world. (that being said, I used to grill up the burgers that were serverd to prisoners for people participating in Hunters Safety courses. Darn they get good food. :P Those burgers really were good stuff)

**Prince Cobra** · 04-11-2009, 20:54

Originally Posted by Vuk

As you have stated yourself, the death penalty is not a worse punishment than life imprisonment. And as I stated earlier in the thread, the answer is not to get rid of the death penalty, but to fix the justice system to minimize such mistakes. Innocents die in car accidents, we should not ban autos though. Far more innocents would be saved if you had the death penalty Asen. Sure, some would die, and that really does stink, but as I said, the answer is to minimize friendly fire, because you are saving innocents in the long run. Or we could just tell the family of Cora Jones that we let her daughter be brutally raped and murdered because we did not have the balls to put the

who did it to her to death the first time.

Better make stricter legislation. Let the people with lighter crimes go if they good behaviour, keep those with serious crimes.

**Vuk** · 04-11-2009, 20:57

Originally Posted by Stephen Asen

Better make stricter legislation. Let the people with lighter crimes go if they good behaviour, keep those with serious crimes.

Why? So they can commit crimes in prison? So their families can pull strings to get them out? So the taxpayers and victims of their crimes can pay for them? Think of it, that is what we do to victims? Make it their responsibilty to support the scum who raped them/killed their family/friend? That is hardly justice.

**Prince Cobra** · 04-11-2009, 21:04

Originally Posted by Vuk

Why? So they can commit crimes in prison? So their families can pull strings to get them out? So the taxpayers and victims of their crimes can pay for them? Think of it, that is what we do to victims? Make it their responsibilty to support the scum who raped them/killed their family/friend? That is hardly justice.

Better this than paying money to the orphanes of those innocent killed by your system.

Warman, better wait some years for justice than die without any. 20-40 years are quite an extreme case, I think.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 04-11-2009, 21:11

Vis-a-vis the social contract, the government of the polity in question is duty-bound to remove the threat of such predators from society. Chronic recidivists and those committing the most heinous of crimes MUST be removed permanently from society. I do not feel this requires the death penalty, and the absence of such a penalty as sentence of court gives us space to correct mistakes and time for the violent criminal to choose to repent and to seek peace in their own hearts. But such persons need not be freed again, save if new evidence causes us to know they are not responsible and that justice has miscarried.

Note: This means that those who guard inmates in such facilities should receive distinctly better training and compensation than they currently recieve. They are playing "point" with the predators so that we don't have to endure their threat.

**ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88** · 04-11-2009, 20:56

Originally Posted by Stephen Asen

What about the innocent? Or kill them all and then send letter to the families of the innocent how good citizens these people were and that they have been killed by mistake?

About the second: I think this is easier to be fixed with reforms of the judicial system.

How about the innocent Stephen, When you lock them up for 20-40 years, released them, and say "Sorry, we wrongfully convincted you" and now they can't do anything since they are getting old if not old already.

Death Penalty is needed.