Gun Control: I Told You So (Nanny-Nanny Boo-Boo)

[KukriKhan]

Thank you for the most impressive Godwin it has been my privilege to read in this or any forum.

The speed was pretty good too: total elapsed time from OP to Godwin: 9 hours, 10 minutes.


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Reference to "Godwin": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[Vuk]

The speed was pretty good too: total elapsed time from OP to Godwin: 9 hours, 10 minutes.


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Reference to "Godwin": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Sorry Kukri, I do not think I overuse comparing things to Hitler, or do it unless I think there is a good point to be made. The reason I did it here is because the same thing was done to create one of the greatest attrocities mankind has ever seen. I think that is worth pointing out. I didn't pick on Hitler though, I also mention Stalin (who was even worse). ~:P

[InsaneApache]

Hilarious. Obama=Hitler.

[Vuk]

Here we go again *grabs some popcorn*

Not only do we get the above classic, we can also discuss whether Hitler was a socialist. Two classics, in one, yeah!

Hitler was a socialist. His party name was Nationalsozialismus. He was liberal on almost all social issues. He was a strong abortion advocate, a strong gun-control advocate, an animal rights advocate, etc.

Hilarious. Obama=Hitler.

I specifically said that I was not saying Obama=Hitler, simply that he is making the mistake of going down a dangerous road.

[Lemur]

Um, okay Vuk. Turnabout is fair play: the Son of Sam serial killer lived with his parents, much like Vuk. I am specifically not saying that Vuk is like the Son of Sam, but he is engaging in much the same lifestyle as the notorious killer of young men and women. Also, Charlie Manson liked to have sex with women instead of men, just like Vuk. Note that I am not saying Vuk is like Charlie Manson, I'm just mentioning the two of them repeatedly in the same sentence.

See the problem? Bringing up Hitler is a bit of a loaded thing to do, no matter how many empty disclaimers you slap over it.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I didn't pick on Hitler though, I also mention Stalin (who was even worse). ~:P

Here we go again *grabs some popcorn*

Not only do we get the above classic, we can also discuss whether Hitler was a socialist. Two classics, in one, yeah!

[Fixiwee]

we can also discuss whether Hitler was a socialist. Two classics, in one, yeah!

Well he pretty much was. Nationalsocialist party has the word socialist in it.

Plus the colour red in the swastika-flag was chosen for a reason since they understood themselfs partly as a party for workers. But that's rather irrellevant, I admit.

[Pannonian]

Here we go again *grabs some popcorn*

Not only do we get the above classic, we can also discuss whether Hitler was a socialist. Two classics, in one, yeah!

The world would have been better off if Hitler, Stalin and Obama had been aborted. The only way Obama can redeem himself is if he supports a Palestinian state alongside Israel.

[tibilicus]

Here we go again *grabs some popcorn*

Not only do we get the above classic, we can also discuss whether Hitler was a socialist. Two classics, in one, yeah!

Everything comes back to Hitler!

Nevermind... I'll prepare my answer later. When I'm not hurried up.

Just leaving with...

Why do you so desperately need to have an assault rifle??? Self defense? pff against what?, red commies?.

Because when the government becomes to powerful one day the people will form a militia and take then down with there sub par citizen assault rifles!

That's the poor argument echoed by a lot of people. I'm only personally in favour of them because at times I feel law enforcement can't be trusted as the sole bearer of fire arms. Whilst this is irrelevant in my country I can see why it's relevant in countries where the law enforcement can carry guns.

Personally I wouldn't trust just a specific set of people to have guns, we either all have guns or non of us have guns, that's how I see it.

[Lemur]

Sure, Stalin was worse than Hitler, but the Nazis had snazzier uniforms and a more imagination-scarring methodology. So people flog the Nazis in discussion way, way more.

Vuk, the entire point of the OP was that the Dems have finally learned that attacking gun rights is a political loser, and they're backing away from it as fast as they humanly can. How this relates to your posts is kinda beyond my understanding.

[KukriKhan]

No worries, mate. Calling a Godwin isn't necessarily an accusation; just an observation that over time, in any given thread, on any given topic, somebody will refer to Hitler or Nazi's. It happens here in the backroom all the time, especially in the threads that go beyond 3 pages.

Joking, Banquo's Ghost called a Godwin because of the depth and passion of your post that mentions Hitler. Continuing the joke, I pointed out how quickly Der Fuehrer was invoked.

To the topic: I read recently a movement within ATF to work up plans to somehow register ammunition. What is a gun, without bullets? Avoids the whole 2nd Am'nt thingee.

[HoreTore]

I'm very happy to live in a country where nobody carries a gun. As strange as it may sound to some of you, I feel safer knowing there's no chance to get shot.

[Fixiwee]

I'm very happy to live in a country where nobody carries a gun. As strange as it may sound to some of you, I feel safer knowing there's no chance to get shot.

Same here.
I mean we have a lot of hunters carring guns, but that's about it. In the city nobody carries guns and we have very little homocide by guns (little homocides in generall).
But if I was to tell that an american he would deny it and come up with facts about gun violence. Hence I leave the gun discussion to the americans. It's simply not my pie.

[InsaneApache]

You learn summat new everyday on these boards.

Hitler was a liberal! Who'd a thowt it!

[Fixiwee]

You learn summat new everyday on these boards.

Hitler was a liberal! Who'd a thowt it!

Hu? Who said that?

edit: I guess we are derailing the topic.

[Vuk]

No worries, mate. Calling a Godwin isn't necessarily an accusation; just an observation that over time, in any given thread, on any given topic, somebody will refer to Hitler or Nazi's. It happens here in the backroom all the time, especially in the threads that go beyond 3 pages.

Joking, Banquo's Ghost called a Godwin because of the depth and passion of your post that mentions Hitler. Continuing the joke, I pointed out how quickly Der Fuehrer was invoked.

To the topic: I read recently a movement within ATF to work up plans to somehow register ammunition. What is a gun, without bullets? Avoids the whole 2nd Am'nt thingee.

Same horse, different colour. I think that the main move behind that is that it would discourage people from buying guns because ammunition would be too expensive. If it is the same thing that I read about, it would bring the cost of a single bullet up to over a dollar. That is absurd and certainly infringes of someone's right to keep and bear arms.

Um, okay Vuk. Turnabout is fair play: the Son of Sam serial killer lived with his parents, much like Vuk. I am specifically not saying that Vuk is like the Son of Sam, but he is engaging in much the same lifestyle as the notorious killer of young men and women. Also, Charlie Manson liked to have sex with women instead of men, just like Vuk. Note that I am not saying Vuk is like Charlie Manson, I'm just mentioning the two of them repeatedly in the same sentence.

See the problem? Bringing up Hitler is a bit of a loaded thing to do, no matter how many empty disclaimers you slap over it.

Actually, that would not work, because Vuk does NOT live with his parents, and you know absolutely nothing about Vuk's lifestyle. If my politics were the politics of Stalin though, and I was leader of the country, I certainly think it would be fair game to bring that up. Even if I am not a Stalin repeat, just repeating some of the same policies, even without an evil intent, could be disasterous for the country.

I'm very happy to live in a country where nobody carries a gun. As strange as it may sound to some of you, I feel safer knowing there's no chance to get shot.

No chance of getting shot eh?

[Lemur]

If my politics were the politics of Stalin though, and I was leader of the country, I certainly think it would be fair game to bring that up. Even if I am not a Stalin repeat, just repeating some of the same policies, even without an evil intent, could be disasterous for the country.

So wait, Obama is not Hitler, but he has the same policies as Stalin? And leaving our guns alone is the first sign?

You've seriously lost me.

[Vuk]

So wait, Obama is not Hitler, but he has the same policies as Stalin? And leaving our guns alone is the first sign?

You've seriously lost me.

Put the reading glasses on Lemur.

[Lemur]

I'm sorry, Vuk, but you super-extra-bonus random this morning. First you barge into a thread about how the Dems are walking away from gun control claiming that they are not, and bizzarrely link to an excerpt from Nancy Pelosi's book on ABC (a passage relating to Sala Burton battling cancer, no less). Then you make wild and unhelpful comparisons between Obama, Hitler and the Holocaust. Then you declare that you are not comparing Obama to Hitler, even though you just did. Then it tuns out you don't even know Godwin's Law or its prime corollary, which is strange.

Then somehow you work Stalin into this, while also attempting to derail the thread by starting an argument over whether or not Hitler was really a lefty Commie hippie. Then you're off an barking about ammunition prices and how it's all part of the plan to disarm the populace and send Jews to the ovens.

Dude, you are massively, epically random.

aI read recently a movement within ATF to work up plans to somehow register ammunition. What is a gun, without bullets? Avoids the whole 2nd Am'nt thingee.

Kukri, if you're going to feed this paranoia, would it be too much to ask for a source? I could just as easily say that I read somewhere that Obama intends to kill all dogs. There, see, it's fact-free and designed to freak people out.

[Husar]

That is absurd and certainly infringes of someone's right to keep and bear arms.

So the price of an oil tanker infringes on your right to keep and bear oil tankers?