Faction you hate (or dread) fighting the most?

[Vasiliyi]

Ok so I've seen a lot of polls out there, but I don't think I've seen this one. Hope to here from you all. Please no bashing certain factions.


I personally hate fighting Pahlava when I play as the AS. They are just such a pain in your side, and those horse archers are hell in a feild against your phalanx. It takes a lot for me to prepare an army to hold them back. Anyways hope to hear from you all.

[delablake]

As a true Roman thus descendant of Troy the only thing I can say is: SMASH PTOLEMAISM!!!
(I fear the "Greeks" even if they bring presents...)

[Constantine the Great]

Ptolies. I don't know why, I just can't stand them. I'll gladly fight Grey Death over Yellow.

[alexanderthegreater]

Ptollies are tough to fight, yes. Phalanxes, galatians. And egypt is a pain to conquer.

Wouldn't know what faction i hate the most. Perhaps the Germans when playing with Rome. Theyre a hell to conquer and not worth the effort considering their provinces.

[Apázlinemjó]

AS, when they start to send the full stacks against me, I just don't like to see my army melting away against the Silver Shield/Mercenary spam armies of AS.

[A Very Super Market]

Saka. And absolute :flower: when you play as an early Baktria or AS.

In the west, I despise fighting those Eleutheroi full-stacks, as well as the Sweboz, since they usually swell to gargantuan proportions.

[Ignopotens]

As Getai, the Romans are always a pain. Their massive heavy infantry armies combined with the sheer number of stacks makes Rome a nightmare opponent. They aren't particularly difficult to beat in a single engagement, but fighting stack after bloody stack thins your troops like nobody's business. That's why I prefer to push them back into Italy and just hold a bridge against them.

[HunGeneral]

When playing AS or another eastern Faction: Pahlav and Saka - thoose nomads kill like nothing else (a special Problem with AS: if I want Cataphracts of my own I must loose agains't them atleast once and make sure the FM survives - very unpleasent and dangerous like hell...*)

Playing as Nomads(Pahlav, Saka): AS (once they start spamming stacks it gets very annoying + they get quite efficient skirmischer troops + you have to keep hitting them all the way to Antiocheia to get the quiet) and I quess later Ptolies (if they overrun AS the are almost the same). Biggest Problem is usualyy to fight other Nomads since there units are a lot the same and it all turns into a war of atrittion

Others: Romani - often I have to let then grow for the March of Time (but I don't wan't to let them grow a huge city). Makedonia or Epeiros depending which one takes over Hellas - taking Hellas away from them can easiely turn into a standing war.

* Does anyone know the concrete circumstances for the battle to make it give the Trait "Impressed by Cataphracts"?

[kekailoa]

As I play barbarians on a whole, the Romans are horrible to fight. They pump out stacks of cheap, solid dependable heavy infantry that go toe-to-toe with my Celtic, German, and Dacian line troops and whenever you annihilate five armies and think you got them beat, another one pops up on the edge of your screen.

I make sure I eliminate them from the game as early as possible, because then I actually have fun fighting other factions. I think this is a gut reaction from Vanilla, because the Romans were by far the most powerful and if you were playing Gaul or Britain, you had to kill them as quick as possible.

[miotas]

Sweboz,
1)There are a bloody lot of them
2)I hate fighting in those forests
3)the territories aren't really worth the trouble,
3)a)They are very rebellious and require larger garrisons than most
3)b)they don't make much profit

[Jebivjetar]

I hate fighting every faction wich sends me a cheap full stack armies, one by one, after ive managed to capture most of their towns and had only a few left. Its pretty annoying. In my recent game (as Pontos) ive conquered much of Egypt, but still, they attack me more than ever: they even somtimes send a 4-5 unit army to siege my full stack garrisoned city

I just want to get rid of them

[gostisa]

In my latest game with Pontos i hated the Seleukids as they were sending stack after stack of various units everything from levys to catas.

I hated the Ptolis as they were sending cheap fullstacks or small armies of elites, they never made a well balanced army incredibly annoying.

I hated Epiros and Macedonians stack after stack of couple elites "supported" by huge number of schirmishers(canon-foder for my archers)

I didnt really hate theme or being affraid of theme they just annoy me the most

[miotas]

I didnt really hate theme or being affraid of theme they just annoy me the most

Yeah those themes can be pretty annoying hey.

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sorry, I couldn't resist

[Jebivjetar]

In my latest game with Pontos i hated the Seleukids as they were sending stack after stack of various units everything from levys to catas.

I hated the Ptolis as they were sending cheap fullstacks or small armies of elites, they never made a well balanced army incredibly annoying.

I hated Epiros and Macedonians stack after stack of couple elites "supported" by huge number of schirmishers(canon-foder for my archers)

I didnt really hate theme or being affraid of theme they just annoy me the most

I decided to install force diplomacy mod to fix this.

[athanaric]

Perhaps the Germans when playing with Rome. They're a hell to conquer and not worth the effort considering their provinces.

Which is precisely why the real Romaioi left them alone eventually.



I have to say I hate the Yellow Fever most. Especially when they get too powerful (which is almost always) and annihilate the AS, Pontos and Hayasdan
Also, AS and Ptolies always hire fullstacks of mercenaries, and guess which mercs they hire first - (surprise, surprise) Misthophoroi Phalangitai As if they didn't have their own phalanxes. I also hate the sight of the Klerouchon Agema (although the unit is actually beautifully designed).

Romans are on second place, because fighting them is almost equally tiring, plus they always bribe Gallic armies and then proceed to annihilate the Arverni and Aedui. (Although in my own Romani campaign I am no better myself, as I bribed the provinces of Korsim, Sardin (plus excellent governor) and the Baleares within a few turns).

[Maion Maroneios]

As a true Roman thus descendant of Troy the only thing I can say is: SMASH PTOLEMAISM!!!
(I fear the "Greeks" even if they bring presents...)

Sorry, but what the hell do the Romans/Trojans have to do with the Ptolemies?

Anyway, I hate fighting against the Arche Seleukeia. Their endless stacks give me headaches.

Maion

[johnhughthom]

Playing as Nomads(Pahlav, Saka): AS (once they start spamming stacks it gets very annoying + they get quite efficient skirmischer troops + you have to keep hitting them all the way to Antiocheia to get the quiet) and I quess later Ptolies (if they overrun AS the are almost the same). Biggest Problem is usualyy to fight other Nomads since there units are a lot the same and it all turns into a war of atrittion

This.

[Drewski]

Any of them ;)

2 Pet Peeves:-

1) I've expanded as far as I'm going to in one particular direction, and my now my well balanced, super chevron garrisoned army, keeps getting beseiged by some 3/4 full stack's of crud every other turn. If I auto-resolve, I win with horrible losses (often 30% or more) AND half of their guys escape. If I auto-win it , I still take around 20% losses AND again a lot escape. So I have to spend 40 minutes fighting a very careful and canny battle, which kills most of them and I take less than 5% casualties.

Every....other.....turn...sigh........ makes it really, really hard not to say "oh frik to this, lets just go and wipe the annoying so and sos out completely, so I get some peace and quiet"..

2) The above situation. Spend 5-10 minutes sallying out, getting in perfect formation, then they all run away without a battle !!

[seienchin]

I hated AS, but found ways to keep them away, but I really hate the sweboz and Saba for sending cheap fullstacks at me all the time and taking their homelands is no fun either.

[Zett]

but I don't wan't to let them grow a huge city

You can upgrade the city yourself and give it back to the Romans (or let them take it back). Worked fine in my Mak and KH campaign. I upgraded Capua and gave it via Force Diplomacy back to the Romans, next round I had my new Phalangitai.

About the faction that I hate fighting the most ... that would be AS if I start as a faction that directly borders on them. Endless stacks of Phalangitai. And if you are too lazy to fight a battle manually, you can lose a full stack against some crappy Pantodapoi Phalangitai.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[Elcmar]

Depending on where i am on the map, either AS, ptolies, or the Romani - endless stacks every other turn until you're forced to go and wipe the faction out entirely (or force them into an obscure corner of the map)

[HunGeneral]

You can upgrade the city yourself and give it back to the Romans (or let them take it back). Worked fine in my Mak and KH campaign. I upgraded Capua and gave it via Force Diplomacy back to the Romans, next round I had my new Phalangitai.

I remember you mentioned that somewhere earlier. I intend to test it myself but I didn't have the time yet. So for Maks and KH it's clear - good to now Wonder if it might work for other Factions aswell... Maybe if I use add_population -4000 I might be able to keep them low until I reach them with Baktria, Pahlav or anyone else how gets units from MoT.

- I forgot to add KH to my list - I don't like there bigheadedness pluss towns far out of my reach keep rebelling to them. They defend there island with two full stacks and even landing there will make them ambush you.

[Aelius Maximus]

Although i like the AS in real life, i hate to fight them in the game. One huge empire and they always win against the ptolemies.

[SwissBarbar]

no they don't. the ptolies can be yellow death as well. that's why I don't like them

[Tyrfingr]

As Indo-baktrians, I really hated the AS for sending wave after wave with fullstacked armies for my three indian cities. All I wanted to do was to retreat to the Indus valley and let the rest of the world work it's magic.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Well, as most people, AS is something I always anticipate with dread and excitement. Before I conquer everything west of the Caspian and Persian Gulf, the AS are actually somewhat fun to take on, as they represent quite a challenge. After that, they get boring. I do not hate fighting them as much as I anticipate the challenge. Most of my frustration with them comes when I have to face them with Romani, whose even most elite infantry gets steamrolled when attacking a phalanx from the front.


In reality however, my most dreaded and hated faction are the Sarmatians. Since in my campaigns I go on to conquer the world, I always encounter them. Not only are they obscenely spread out with enormous, Russian distances, but also, the Sarmatians are a faction of heavy cavalry armed with both bows and spears. They pelt me with arrows and then charge me with the cavalry, outflanking and surrounding me. They are such a pain .

And most of the pain comes from the arrows, which I must endure no matter what. The Bosphoran archer counter-fire helps, as does the more long ranged support of the Scythian foot archers, but I still suffer casualties that I never do in any of my other battles. Since I am a person who always strives for the lowest casualties, reloading when necessary, the armoured HAs are a major pain for me.


Parthians and Haysadan would be my other dreaded factions because of their Cataphracts, but they never develop in my campaigns. As for the Sweboz, despite their usually gargantuan empire, their troops are incredibly easy to rout. Forests are a problem, but I always avoid those battles, instead waiting for their armies to come to the aid of besieged or threatened settlements. Easy experience is all the Sweboz are for me.

[Bucefalo]

I hate fighting agaisnt any horse archer faction, they just are really fast and difficult to catch. And they sting at you like mosquitos and then retreat to start another time... i hate them
Keep in mind i normally use infantry factions with cavalry as support

[Aelius Maximus]

no they don't. the ptolies can be yellow death as well. that's why I don't like them

I know that with other peoples, the ptolies become yellow death but with me AS always become gray death

[Macilrille]

I hate them all. All of them eventually DoW you and spam you with fullstacks and never desists even though you wipe them and tske all their lands, "Peace, perhaps in the fullness of time, but not yet, some of you yet live# or whatever. Even when you have left them with only one province after wiping the floor with their fullstacks.

However, it is not the factions themself we hate in that case, it is the abjectly stupid AI.

I usually play Roman and I hate Carthage and Luso the most, Carthaginian Scum and Lusotanian barbarians, they must be killed to a man, woman and child, their lands taken, their cities burned, the ground cursed. May their genetials wither and fall off and... ahem... you get my drift.

I hate them even more as every second- third battle against them cause CTD. Sometimes I get 2-3 CTDs attempting ONE single battle before I succeed.

[Aemilius Paulus]

I hate them even more as every second- third battle against them cause CTD. Sometimes I get 2-3 CTDs attempting ONE single battle before I succeed.

Hmmm, that also happens with me, although in significantly smaller intesity. Whenever I initiate a battle in Iberia, there is a roughly 2/5 chance I will have a CTD while the battle is still beginning to load. That is about all the CTDs I ever get in my campaigns, which makes it all the odder. And only in Iberia. I wonder why...

Does anyone else have the same problems in Iberia?