Questions about KH

[Jebivjetar]

I started today with KH and i must admit- they are awesome! Ive kicked out Macs pretty soon, and before i engage Epeiros ive decided to build my army and economy.. at this moment i can recruit many hoplites and calvary units, but still i cannot recruit KH pikemen (wich can form a phalanx): so i want to know if there is some trigger related to Roman reforms after wich i could train my pikemen? In recruitment viewer i cant even find them, but they are on the list of military units on EB site (named as KH pikemen), so im a little bit confused... anyone?

And yeah: why do some of my FMs have spartans for bodyguards (and have around 60 men in unit), and some are different (and they have around 40 men in unit)? I mean: they are FMs afterall?

[anubis88]

the pikemen will come as a reform unit in when the vanilla marians happen.
As for the bodyguards, well the spartans have spartan hoplites, the other's the regular ones...

[Cyrus]

Wow, you know there's been a thread identical to this about a week ago, why not do a forum search?
Anyway you get the pikemen with the MOT and only 3 starting generals will ever have spartans as bodyguards, all the rest (future and present) will the noble guys, about the number, the standard for an infantry general (on huge) is 80 but since he has spartans (wich aren't a normal general unit) he gets the normal number of soldiers in a spartan unit.
Edit: argh too late!

[Lovejoy]

The March of Time will enable the pikemen. The Romans need to build 2 huge cities in Italy.

Your starting Spartan generals have the spartan bodyguard. All other generals, including Spartans (born or adopted) will have the other bodyguard. The size of the bodygaurd depends on your general traits.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Well, these are very common questions, although I doubt they can be found in the FAQs. For this sort of stuff, usually a forum search is the best, although you normally get too many results for it to be useful.


Question One: Yes, it is the reforms that trigger the KH pike phalanx recruitment. Well, sort of reforms. Basically, it is the old vanilla March of Time. A settlement in central Italy has to reach Huge size to activate the March of Time. AFAIK, it cannot be Rome. The easiest way to quickly get the Marhc of Time is to capture Capua, add_population Capua <insert number> via console (~), build a palace that upgrades the city to Large and then Huge and finally give it back to Rome with Force Diplomacy mod or jsut hope they take it (by force - just leave the city empty, or via normal diplomacy).



Question Two: Some starting KH FMs have Spartan Bodyguards. Other have the standard ones. It is based on the character's historical ethnicity. All your subsequent FMs will have the normal bodyguards.

The size of the bodyguard depends on three things: a little bit on age and influence as well as a WHOLE lot on the total amount of personal security from traits. There was research done on this in Ludus Magna and from my personal experience, I have observed the same things. Personal security has an enormous effect. All my paranoid FMs have gargantuan bodyguards. Oh, and yes, faction leaders and heirs also get a huge boost in bodyguards.




EDIT: Well, I knew other people were going to post before me, but I began typing when there were no replies yet. Not to mention, my post is long and (hopefully) informative. Darn my laptop! I type so much faster on my desktop!!

[Jebivjetar]

Thanks to all of you, guys!

(i Sloveniji također ;-)

(next time ill do a forum search

[anubis88]

Thanks to all of you, guys!

(i Sloveniji također ;-)

(next time ill do a forum search

[Aemilius Paulus]

(next time ill do a forum search

Heh, that's OK. There is a reason why these forums and members such as me exist. Part of it is to answer questions one might have about EB. And yes, forum searches are often difficult, as it is not Google. Type in "KH phalangites" or 'March of Time" and 80+% of the results will not help you understand how to attain the two at all.

[Alien of Germania]

Oh no, I just deleted today my saves from my only KH game. First I was all excited with the campaign, conquered Makies, Epeirotes, Pontus and half Egypt, the problem as KH be prepared for some cities revolting to your favour around the world, like Messana, Galatia, Helikarnassos and Emporion. The problem is Messana gave me an imediate war with romans and qarties without a chance to give the city back through diplomacy, Emporion started a war with Lusotana and the thing went pretty dark to me. They all allied against me and my empire colapsed through multiple fronts. Sad...

[bobbin]

Question One: Yes, it is the reforms that trigger the KH pike phalanx recruitment. Well, sort of reforms. Basically, it is the old vanilla March of Time. A settlement in central Italy has to reach Huge size to activate the March of Time. AFAIK, it cannot be Rome. The easiest way to quickly get the Marhc of Time is to capture Capua, add_population Capua <insert number> via console (~), build a palace that upgrades the city to Large and then Huge and finally give it back to Rome with Force Diplomacy mod or jsut hope they take it (by force - just leave the city empty, or via normal diplomacy).

Nearly correct, the MOT occurs when there is a city other that Rome with a Imperial Palace of Roman culture in Italy. This means the Romans have to have upgraded the city themselves, simply capturing the city and upgrading it yourself will not work as the place will have a different culture (greek in the case of the KH). One way to speed things up is to use the add_population and process_cq cheats till they build the palace.

[Zett]

Nearly correct, the MOT occurs when there is a city other that Rome with a Imperial Palace of Roman culture in Italy. This means the Romans have to have upgraded the city themselves, simply capturing the city and upgrading it yourself will not work as the place will have a different culture (greek in the case of the KH). One way to speed things up is to use the add_population and process_cq cheats till they build the palace.

Wrong. Works with a KH or Makedonian Palace fine too.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[bobbin]

Just checked it and you are right, my bad.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Just checked it and you are right, my bad.

Heh, and I was about to apologise for my mistake... Well, that's one point for procrastination!

[bobbin]

A balloon for Zett for setting me straight and one for AP for his fortuitous procrastination!

you can decide among yourselves who get what

[Zett]

A balloon for Zett for setting me straight and one for AP for his fortuitous procrastination!

you can decide among yourselves who get what

Thanks, I will take the green one.

By the way, I only tested it with KH and Makedonia (the both factions that get new units with the MoT). I'm pretty sure that it works with all factions, but I couldn't test it.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[Celtic_Punk]

you do not get 80 men in your generals unit... your king can have as many as 125, but i find the number for anyone rounding off around 100-120.


do a forum search on my name to find some of my KH related posts.



this reminds me... should i continue my Spartan AAR?

[V.T. Marvin]

Sure you should! It would be great to see an AAR resurrected! They usually die in too young an age (especially those of mine)

[Elcmar]

this reminds me... should i continue my Spartan AAR?

Definitely! Always love a good KH AAR

[TheStranger]

Your starting Spartan generals have the spartan bodyguard. All other generals, including Spartans (born or adopted) will have the other bodyguard. The size of the bodygaurd depends on your general traits.

So you don't have the spartan hoplite bodyguards later in the game anymore?

[Apázlinemjó]

So you don't have the spartan hoplite bodyguards later in the game anymore?

Sadly.

[Cyrus]

you do not get 80 men in your generals unit

What i meant was that the standard number, when they come of age is 80, for infantry, for cavalry 40.

[Aemilius Paulus]

What i meant was that the standard number, when they come of age is 80, for infantry, for cavalry 40.

You mean on Huge units settings? Because on large, 24 (+1 extra for the general) is the standard. Which is once again odd, since 24*2 is not 40.

[miotas]

You mean on Huge units settings? Because on large, 24 (+1 extra for the general) is the standard. Which is once again odd, since 24*2 is not 40.

That does seem strange, I have never played on anything less than huge, and the cav bodyguards always come of age with exactly 40 men.

[Jebivjetar]

Im playing on large and have 42 men in unit (including general)

Its really nice to play with KH: i made an expedition via sea on Italy and get Taras for Hellens, Romans pushed me back with their pedites extraordinari, triaries and principes and it wasnt worth to fight all the time for one town. Now is around 121BC and reforms are finally made; right now im recruiting some pikemen and ill strike Romans again. Masilla revolted to me (and that involved me in war with Romans for second time), and so did Halicarnas (so my ex-allies, Ptolies, are pretty angry and its a matter of time when they will take it back- one full stack of their elites recently captured Sardis from AS and now im doomed there ): im planning to invade Asia Minor after destroying the Romans (o, ill chase them to the moon if ill have to)

And one interesting thing: in my game, Parthians are, after Ptolies, the most advanced faction! They captured all AS territories and grab Seleukeia (Ptolies have Babylon): AS capital is somewhere near India (cant remember the name), and they have 2-3 cities left

[Mediolanicus]

Now is around 121BC

You are:
a. playing your campaign for a lot longer than you've been on the forums
b. playing EB for 10-12 hours per day
c. playing without activating the script

Edit: I just saw you've started your KH campaign on 04-13 (or 04-12, depending on which time zone you are in).
So let's remove possibility a,
lets adapt possibility b to 34-36 hours a day,
and let me ask you again: are you sure you are playing with the script on?

[bobbin]

Probably meant 212bc

[seienchin]

The parthians can never take the AS Teritories by 212, so he must be at 121... ^^

[Zett]

Im playing on large and have 42 men in unit (including general)

Its really nice to play with KH: i made an expedition via sea on Italy and get Taras for Hellens, Romans pushed me back with their pedites extraordinari, triaries and principes and it wasnt worth to fight all the time for one town. Now is around 121BC and reforms are finally made; right now im recruiting some pikemen and ill strike Romans again. Masilla revolted to me (and that involved me in war with Romans for second time), and so did Halicarnas (so my ex-allies, Ptolies, are pretty angry and its a matter of time when they will take it back- one full stack of their elites recently captured Sardis from AS and now im doomed there ): im planning to invade Asia Minor after destroying the Romans (o, ill chase them to the moon if ill have to)

And one interesting thing: in my game, Parthians are, after Ptolies, the most advanced faction! They captured all AS territories and grab Seleukeia (Ptolies have Babylon): AS capital is somewhere near India (cant remember the name), and they have 2-3 cities left

Would be nice if you could post a screenshot from your campaign map. Sounds pretty interesting.

Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam

[bobbin]

The parthians can never take the AS Teritories by 212, so he must be at 121... ^^

It is very possible for them to do that.
My Arverni game 224bc

My Romanoi game 219bc

[Jebivjetar]

Probably meant 212bc

Youre right, it is around 212.. i have typed wrong year... sorry...